Info on the MMM from the I-Hobby show
 

Sweet. The day after I ordered a "big" ESC. Doh!

good to see they actually have something. just dont know why he wouldn't give any information when people asked for it. now hopefully they will give us some specs.

35V caps..

I love that simple layout.

They are at iHobby.

However, plastic isn't done yet (ALMOST!)

AND, we licensed the design of the Neutronics 15 series motor for the bundle. (first available will be a 1515/1Y with the Monster.)


Patrick

thats awesome news. now we just need an estimated release and a price. I am also hoping that they will have other turns available soon after.

Don't you just hate that!!:lol:

Now I just have to be patient and wait till January for my 1/8 conversion.....I hate waiting.

Awesome news!

Sweet! These combos are really going to rock now, with Neu 1515's. I can't wait...

I hope they release the ESC first because i already have a NEU. IF the NEU motor is going to be the motor used in the combo, I think it might be a little pricey. But i propably buy one any how :lol:.

Great news!! I was planning on buying the Neu 1515/1y separately, but since it they come together, it will be perfect for me. It will be right after the holidays as well!! :smile:

I bet the neu's are going to be anodized castle green. Should be a sweet combo!

cool.. Didn't thought of that. That would be killer.

If they are 35v( the caps, that is) does this mean we can run something over 6s?

Just because the caps are rated for it doesn't necessarily mean the whole ESC can run higher voltage, but it IS a good sign. :wink:

6s would be satisfactory

Good to hear, Finally some real info

most definitely. Can't wait to hear more.

I saw the MMM at the show today. Talked to the Castle guys and it sounds like the MMM will be 6s rated, but the final specs are still not set. The circuts are done, just the case that is still waiting on tooling to be finished. They are targeting a release just before Xmas for the ESC only. I didnt bother with pictures cuz it looked just like the ones linked in the first post. Theyalso confirmed some sort of contract with Neu for the motors that will follow at some time in the future that is still to be determined.

Another cool thing is the Tekin guys also have a 1/8 ESC that they are expecting to be out sometime around February. It should be a 5s rated (possibly 6s to be determined by some ongoing testing) and they had a prototye of it in a milled aluminum case. No pictures unfortunately. The cool thing is they said that they have been running the R1-Pro on 4s in a truggy with the bottom case removed and a fan on it and no issues. Which is amazing to me cuz it was so tiny compared to most other ESCs. It makes the MM look huge. They also said it should run 5s with an external BEC or Rx pack. They also said thay they are considering a HV possibly 8s MT version of their 1/8 esc which would be really awesome.

I personally think I am going to hold off on the MMM and go for the Tekin 1/8 esc. I dont really beleive that Castle will make it by xmas either. They never seem to do wht they say.


EDIT: The Tekin 1/8 esc is based on a 48 FET power board. Thats the same count that the MGMs use and they have no heat issues at all either. Aparently the Tekin guys are useing a different FET than anyone else. They had to commit to a very large volume to get pricing that was reasonable to use them. They were saying that the FETs they are using are super efficient and generate alot less heat than the ones most others are using.

That's good news. Using many FETs makes sense. Not only does this increase current rating, but also reduces heat simply because the cumulative paralleled Rdson values makes a smaller resistance (less V drop). As long as traces are large enough to handle the current and there is sufficient way to shed the heat that does form, it all sounds good. IMO, a large-ish ESC doesn't bother me as long as it smaller than a Schulze. :smile:

If both Tekin and CC produce 6s ESCs at around the same time, the buying decision comes down to comparing current handling, programmability, and smoothness.

If thats the case, I'll let other's make the mistake of buying the wrong ESC, and wait to buy the actual better one. :smile: :lol:

Unfortunately, it takes several weeks for enough of each type to get out there and working to get any kind of reliability sample.

Which one to buy? The MMM combo with cc version neu sounds sweet. It's going to be a long wait though.

Tekin's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllll the way......
I've never tried a tekin products befor, but I know that they are one of the oldest companies in the rc industry with experience that puts others to shame. They even left the hobby in the past and they are back again which I believe is a response for all the fans around the world who were calling them back.
I'll wait for the RX8 to come out.

Copied from RCCA forums -

The Monster Max includes:

Switching BEC, 6V output
2S - 6S Lipo / 7S - 20S NiCd/NiMH
.0002 ohms (200 microohms) single phase
>175A continuous, >1000A surge (1 second), >2000A pulse (10us)
No built-in USB connector, will ship with Castle Link
6 layer/ 6 oz per layer power board (> .050" PCB copper thickness)
Cross cut high performance black anodized heat sink with built-in 30mm BB fan

Footprint: 1.95" x 1.75"

Monster Max Motor:

Steve Neu design
1515/1Y (first motor -- others available soon afterwards)
2200Kv
3HP continuous output at 6S Lipo (2400 watts input with cooling)
6HP+ output peak (4800+ watts input)
Continuous operation at up to 125C (external) / 150C (internal) without damage
5mm shaft

Our drop-in for the Emaxx hits 60mph+ on 6S Lipo.

Measured temps after abuse run (full throttle to about 30mph, full brake to about 5mph, repeated for full run on 4800mah Lipos at about 80 degrees ambient)
ESC: 128 F
Motor: 172 F


RELEASE DATE: Late Jan / early Feb 2008
Price: ~$300.00 street price for combo

Sound good?


Patrick

i wonder if it can run the hvmaxx motor? now that it can run the neu's

WHAT!!!!! :surprised::gasp: I didn't think, they could do that with a Neu. The motor in question is a 280.00 motor, i know , i got a 1515/2.5d (1700kv)

Yeah! The combo and the price blow me away!!

Changes my plans, just going to have to wait some more (sure hope timing is accurate)!!

$300.... sold!
Now CC have laid their cards on the table (more or less), and Tekin are close behind, I want to hear more from Traxxas & Novak.

LMFAO

Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard.


Edit
Also pretty amusing LOL.

if they can keep that price with a NEU motor, they got a royal straight flush. Traxxas couldn't compete with a 200.00 price tag and Tekin is a racer based company, I see the esc being 300.00

Wow!!! That's frikkin' phenomenal...those are some great specs. 175A constant should be more than enough, and 6S LiPo is great. I've been waiting so long to hear those specs.The price is just downright insane though. I'm with CrazyJR... at $300 for the whole combo, there just ain't gonna be any competition that I can see. Sold! :)

Yep, if the price stays they've definitely hit a home run. Good job castle!

Although, I was hoping for something a bit closer to 8s just for a little extra voltage headroom...

Well you have to remember, this is a 6S *official* rating...so it'll run solid as a rock on that voltage. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it can pull off 7S, perhaps even 8 knowing Castle controllers.

This thing sounds like a dream come true...

DM

what motors do the current mamba max combos come with?

just curious...

i can't wait to try this thing out. think it's better than the quark 125B? that's what i have, and seems to be the defacto 'budget' ESC. might get the combo for my revo when the time comes...

If i can swing it, I plan to get the esc and try it (if it comes in dec. as said) and later i will get the combo for my New Emaxx, hey we got to truely test the new diffs right , right?

There is talk of them eventually being bundled with Neu-made motors. Although, to keep the price down, I wonder if they will offer only the non-finned versions.

This should definitely be better than the Quark IF it runs as smooth as the Quark. The MM is certainly nice for the money, but is not as smooth the Quark is. Remember, the Quark is not meant for 1/10 MT or 1/8 buggies. It really is in the same class as the MM power-wise. Both ESCs even use the same number of FETs.

I'll believe it as soon as someone has one in their hands. CC hasnt ever met a date as far as I know. Also these are all "unoficial" dates. If they publish a date on their website It might start to get some more credibility.

If its out by spring we will be lucky IMO.

That said... Specs and Price sound like brushless nirvana! I keep my fingers cautiously crossed at this point. They have a long way to go before anything they say starts to be credible in my eyes. Not to mention... they didnt say any of this, its all just information that someone else said that they said.