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stampedeproject 10.11.2008 05:29 PM

Losi Brushless Mega Baja/LST2 - StampedeProject.com
 
Losi Mega Baja Brushless Conversion - Project Mega Green
By Tony Arnold - StampedeProject.com

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega...7807_small.JPG

It's funny how things snowball, one Novak 4.5R system in a Stampede years ago and now I am converting roughly my tenth large scale nitro truck to brushless. All the nitro guys ask me the same thing...Why, don't you enjoy tuning and the sound? They always seem to forget power, and no, my neighbors don't enjoy the screeching nitro sound. Lastly, as an old farm kid whose job it was fixing and tuning engines, I am sick of messing with engines. At this point in my life I would rather be driving than tinkering with the tuning on some picky nitro engine. Right now I am happy with the mind - blowing performance and power of brushless, the silent quiet that doesn't piss off my neighbors, and plug in an go convenience.

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega...7799_small.JPG

My latest project is Project Mega Green - a Brushless Losi Mega Baja/Aftershock/LST2. No I am not some tree hugger, but I do get tired of laying out $30 for a gallon of gas every month just for my nitro bashing RCs. In the spirit of attempting to be a little more green/cheap/lazy, having a brushless electric basher than requires no more than a charged battery seemed appealing.

Ok so it was technically a Mega Baja I converted, but we all know the Aftershock and LST2 are basically the same thing with different tires and bodies. The Mega Baja does have those huge Losi tires that allow it to go over just about anything and that bug body that my wife says is cute. Yep this is a perfect example of me tearing up something in perfect condition just to do a brushless conversion. Some other lucky ebay auction winner will I am sure be thrilled with the hardly used motor pulled from this RC.

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega...7800_small.JPG

Although it looks simple now, oddly enough this was one of my most difficult conversions ever. Going into this conversion, I really didn't think it would have been that difficult, however as I started digging in, I realized this would take a little head scratching. I started with disassembling the main chassis components to remove the braking servo and brakes as the motor is more than capable of handling braking duties.

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega...7803_small.JPG

It took an entire Sunday of tinkering just to come up with the slipper & spur gear mount. All the goofy one way bearings and superfluous three gear setup was removed for a simple single gear. The end result was a simpler solution of just using a Derlin spacer and bolting the second gear to it's clutch to effectively fake a standard slipper gear setup. How did I pick second gear to use? Easy it was the only one that I had a clutch on in that I could screw to itself. In retrospect I got lucky, 1st gear would have been way to low and 3rd would have made this thing a 60MPH speedster that stressed the electrics and ran hot. If Losi ever does introduce a brushless conversion kit they will also have to include a new spur upper transmission shaft for, because the simplest final solution was far from elegantly simple. It works, so no complaints.

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega...7805_small.JPG

The motor mount was also a little tricky as there is very little to mount to. I ended up fabricating a standard 1/4"motor mount plate and securing it with three machine screws from underneath the chassis deck and then notching out the lower chassis brace to allow room for the screw heads. I had expected the need for a secondary brace, however it seems plenty rigid at this point and has made it through a couple hours of testing without a problem - time will tell.

The huge Hacker C50L seemed up to delivering HUGE power. I fabricated a battery tray holder out of 1/8"diamond plate that can accommodate oversized high Mh 5S packs. The pictured 10,000 Max Amps 3S pack seems to be swimming in room, however my huge 5S Polyquest/Enerland packs need the extra room. I intend to run 4S - 6S eventually with one of the new Tekin Rx8 1/8th scale brushless ESCs. The battery tray is definitely a little big to accommodate the expected oversized packs, but I suspect there will be only a few times where standard sized packs will be long for the ride.

Initially I tested the setup without the fan cooled Mamba Max on 3S and it seemed to get a little warm, but didn't have any thermaling issues. On 4S I kept thermaling so the final decision was to add an industrial 12V fan, a Castle BEC. On three 3S the project Mega Green is a blast producing mid - 30MPH numbers easily and wheelies from a dead stop, on 4S 40+MPH is no problem and is a wheelie - ing machine.

Go faster, I don't thing so. It would be pointless since the LST frame really isn't designed for high speed - I would use my Revo for that, but the Mega Baja can jump like nothing else I have driven so it'll stay and under 40MPH jumper and bashing fun machine. As is It's geared and powered just about perfect for general bashing, jumping, and the occasional track assault, so I may even leave it as a 4S powered wheelie - ing, bashing, and jumping truck.

I jammed in old Traxxas receiver into the electrics box and left the servos as is and the conversion was done. Admittedly this is not the quality of some of the previous conversions I have done, however this one was one for me instead of destined for RC Car magazine. Also to justify my more sloppy work on this conversion, I have to note it took me over a month of 15 minutes here and there to do, because of the interruptions of life, vacations, and other articles. My quality of work tends to suffer if I can't have at least 2 hours at a time to work on the details of the conversion.

How does the Project Mega Green perform? The LST is neither my fastest or slowest of my RCs, but has the fun appeal of a really big 4X4 Stampede - Quiet, still plenty fast, and takes a beating like a champ. With the motor mounted in from of the transmission and the batteries at the rear, the Project Mega Green maintains the stock rearward weight bias. From a driving perspective, there is something I have always liked about the Mega Bajas. They are a blast to bash with, and those freaking HUGE tires role over anything. I actually ran the Mega Baja through a number of my 2.2 crawler lines and it just kept going despite not having locked difs. As an electric basher, it takes just abusive levels of behavior. Even though brushless is quiet, the metal on plastic gears produce a much quieter sound than typical metal on metal gear meshes of brushless buggy and truggy conversions produce. The sound is almost down right sneaky. So even in the quiet of the late evenings I can still be buzzing around without bugging my neighbors outside enjoying their deck and outdoor grills.

lincpimp 10.11.2008 06:00 PM

Interesting writeup. I have a few questions. What wind is the Hacker L can? Also you mention that the mega baja has a 3 speed tranny, I have had a few lsts and an aftershock, and they only had a 2 speed setup. Was it an option? I looked at the losi manual online and it shows a 2 speed stock...

I recently converted my aftershock to electric, and am running a c50 xl motor on 6s lipo. Power is way too much, but it seems like a great setup. The lst chassis is a great basher, and even at 40+mph it is decently stable. I would like a more precise steering setup, but it is what it is. I plan on getting a muggy and making a custom chassis for it, should be a good high speed project!

DRIFT_BUGGY 10.11.2008 06:03 PM

Very nice write up. Clean looking conversion to. Wouldn't mind a LST Brushless

Byte 10.11.2008 06:03 PM

Cool project!

A few hours ago I bought a Losi LST2 on eBay, I also want to convert it to brushless. But it's good to look how other people make their motor mounts!

- Patrick

stampedeproject 10.11.2008 06:57 PM

Thanks guys,

3-speed vs 2-Speed.... hmmm good question, I think you are right. I also picked this up second hand from someone who had run it like a week, not sure if they found something as an accessort or it's time I clean off my work bench so I don't mix stuff up. I'll bet I snuck another gear in there over the month. Damn, hate it when I mess with myself. :eyes: Assuming I am insane and you are correct, it still would have been 2nd gear that I used.

The motor was a C-50-11L
http://hackerbrushless.com/motorDetails.aspx?series=C50

[BYTE - Cool conversion you made! A few hours ago I bought a LST2 from eBay, and I also want to convert it to brushless. But I never made a motor mount. Could you please tell me which tools you used for making that motor mount on your LST2/Mega Baja? And do you have more pictures from the motor mount? ]

I fabricated it using my Proxxon Mini-Mill
http://stampedeproject.com/Proxxon-MF70/

Quite frankly this was a bitch of a conversion. If you look at the clutch on 2nd gear the smaller of the two, you will see that it has a hole to adjust the clutch on the gear. I just removed that screw and installed a long one, then drill a hole through the opposite edges clutch plate and clutch and added a second screw to effectively lock the clutch. The 1" wide 3/4"'ish thick Black Derlin spacer just has a hole through it and I screwed a washer, spring and stock nut back on - you could probably do that last part with washers.

The other thing you will notice is that you need to figure out your gear mesh, remove the spur, tighten the motor down, then re-install the spur. Not that I plan on doing that once a day or month, but still a pain.

Click on any of the images on my site for a larger picutre - (warning they are 6MB high res images) but you will get the detail.

http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega-Baja/

Really big 6MB picture of the clutch.
http://stampedeproject.com/Losi-Mega-Baja/IMGP7803.JPG

kostaktinos_mt 10.11.2008 08:55 PM

nice conversion!
i am also converting a mega baja these days...

the lst2 however is quite different [and quite 'better' overall] than the original lst, and the original lst is also different [and better] than the mega baja / aftershock [and the raminator to that matter]...

lincpimp 10.11.2008 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostaktinos_mt (Post 221685)
nice conversion!
i am also converting a mega baja these days...

the lst2 however is quite different [and quite 'better' overall] than the original lst, and the original lst is also different [and better] than the mega baja / aftershock [and the raminator to that matter]...

For a conversion using mech brakes, the aftershock is a great start. Just need to lock the 2 speed and you can also swap the internal tranny gears for less reduction. Or put the forward only in the lst2. I do not see the need for the manual high/low selector. Plus the small ears on the dog clutch do not look very sturdy.

The arms and hubs on the lst2 are stronger than the original lst and the other trucks. I swapped them onto my aftershock. I also added nova rc al diff cups, and the losi tin coated ring and pinion. The lst diffs with al cases must be the strongest diffs out there...

stampedeproject 10.20.2008 11:54 AM

Video of this beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAi1cdeiGb4


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