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Arct1k 04.22.2010 03:24 PM

Cheat
 
I guess i should know but is cheat available on the MMM and orginal MM - If not why not?

Just wondering as at speed the mmp isn't using the sensors...

Cheers

BrianG 04.22.2010 03:30 PM

IIRC, Cheat mode is a direct function of sensored-only operation. So, even in the MMPro, you have to be in sensored-only mode to use cheat (not smart sense).

Semi Pro 04.22.2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 361464)
IIRC, Cheat mode is a direct function of sensored-only operation. So, even in the MMPro, you have to be in sensored-only mode to use cheat (not smart sense).

can you explain cheat mode? is it just dynamic timing advance or something else?

nitrostarter 04.22.2010 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 361464)
IIRC, Cheat mode is a direct function of sensored-only operation. So, even in the MMPro, you have to be in sensored-only mode to use cheat (not smart sense).


+1, as to that is how I understood how the system works.

BrianG 04.22.2010 03:35 PM

Honestly, I don't know. I've never played with sensored operation during testing and since. Sorry. :oops:

Probably gonna have to wait for a CC rep for that level of questioning.

Arct1k 04.22.2010 03:52 PM

Its just dynamic timing advance as I see it but not sure why this still isn't possible under sensorless operation to...

Semi Pro 04.22.2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 361477)
Its just dynamic timing advance as I see it but not sure why this still isn't possible under sensorless operation to...

dynamic timing advance doesn't work on the rx8 without the sensor plugged in, i think sensorless is always dynamic up to your set max

i agree i would love to here what Patrick or one of the other engineers has to say about it

simplechamp 04.22.2010 07:32 PM

It's my understanding that the CHEAT mode enables timing advance at a certain RPM, or range of RPMs, and you need the sensor to measure these RPMs accurately.

Arct1k 04.22.2010 07:50 PM

Nah the ESC knows what RPMs it is at by the feedback from the motor - without that it wouldn't know when to fire each phase....

whitrzac 04.22.2010 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Semi Pro (Post 361483)
dynamic timing advance doesn't work on the rx8 without the sensor plugged in, i think sensorless is always dynamic up to your set max

i agree i would love to here what Patrick or one of the other engineers has to say about it

the RX8 does not have the same type of timing advance as the RS/MMp, hence the reason I sold my RX8:no:

Pdelcast 04.23.2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 361477)
Its just dynamic timing advance as I see it but not sure why this still isn't possible under sensorless operation to...

Dynamic timing does happen sensorless -- but above about 30 degrees of electrical advance, there just isn't enough back-EMF information to allow more timing.

With sensors, you can advance the timing more aggressively than you can sensorless. It's MUCH MUCH harder on the motor and ESC, but in stock class racing, can make all the difference.

I wouldn't try it on a high quality motor, just the junk they run in ROAR stock.

snellemin 04.23.2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 361575)
I wouldn't try it on a high quality motor, just the junk they run in ROAR stock.

:lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl:

FastXR 04.23.2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 361575)

I wouldn't try it on a high quality motor, just the junk they run in ROAR stock.

Well said Patrick. You must be an a particularily nasty mood today. :whistle:

Pdelcast 04.24.2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FastXR (Post 361614)
Well said Patrick. You must be an a particularily nasty mood today. :whistle:

LOL, what I meant to say was:

High quality motors don't need a lot of timing to perform well. :lol:

Semi Pro 04.24.2010 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 361639)
LOL, what I meant to say was:

High quality motors don't need a lot of timing to perform well. :lol:

you know you could prove to the world how good CC is and make us some roar aproved motors and change up the game untill everyone else catches up again.

then we wouldnt have to race with red and bash with green:party:



quick thred jack while i am here



can the MM handle 144300rpm or are the shudders comeing from the poor motor:whistle:

sadly the motor is running pretty cool for being that far over voltage


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