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david lamontagn 01.05.2008 12:46 PM

Why not lock it in first???
 
Yesterday night, i was looking in my revo too see what i could upgrade on it, and start to think about the tranny gears. Why peaople don't let it in first gear and adjust the pinion/spur to have the desired top speed????
just tighten down the adjustment screw to avoid the tranny to shift in second:neutral:
It's a easily way than lock it in second.
For exemple, on my revo, i've the wide ratio, 4s li-po, and 38 spur, if i let it in first, with a 22T pinion, i hit easily 35m/h, it's a reasonable speed for the track:yes:

Need your comments, and BriandG comment is welcome!

lincpimp 01.05.2008 01:52 PM

I am guessing because 1st still uses the 1 way bearing, where mechanically locking it in second will allow for motor braking and reverse.

teknorc 01.05.2008 02:07 PM

This is how my Revo is set up right now (locked in 1st). I'm running 3s and a 3200kv motor with an 18/36 ratio. It goes pretty good, but not quite how I want it to. I had great acceleration but the top end was just a little lacking. 4s with a different motor (~2500-2700kv) would probably be a much better setup for a 1st-gear-only Revo.

I will probably try 4s again soon, but I have so many 3s batteries that it would be a shame not to use them. If I can't find a good setup with 3s, then I'll put the 2-speed back in. I know that works how i want it to. Or maybe I'll get a bunch more 4s packs instead, we'll see :)

BrianG 01.05.2008 02:14 PM

Four reasons (for me anyway):

1: The first gear has a OWB as people said, so you have to find a way to grab the shaft in both directions if you want elec brakes.

2: The input gear is smaller so there are fewer teeth. I figured fewer teeth would see more wear than a gear with more teeth.

3: You need a fairly large pinion and small spur to make up for the low gearing in the tranny if you want decent top speeds. Locking in second allows you to have more gearing options and uses eay to find pinion sizes.

4: Second gear has three options; narrow, std, and wide ratios. This allows for a little more adjustability inside the tranny.

jhautz 01.05.2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by teknorc (Post 138742)
This is how my Revo is set up right now (locked in 1st). I'm running 3s and a 3200kv motor with an 18/36 ratio. It goes pretty good, but not quite how I want it to. I had great acceleration but the top end was just a little lacking. 4s with a different motor (~2500-2700kv) would probably be a much better setup for a 1st-gear-only Revo.

I will probably try 4s again soon, but I have so many 3s batteries that it would be a shame not to use them. If I can't find a good setup with 3s, then I'll put the 2-speed back in. I know that works how i want it to. Or maybe I'll get a bunch more 4s packs instead, we'll see :)


Seriously? 3s on a revo is your standard setup??? Thats makin me wonder how that clutch setup will stand up to 4s, 5s and even 6s power that some will throw at it. Have you done any testing with real power in it?

starscream 01.05.2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 138767)
Seriously? 3s on a revo is your standard setup??? Thats makin me wonder how that clutch setup will stand up to 4s, 5s and even 6s power that some will throw at it. Have you done any testing with real power in it?

I'm not sure what the concern is here. If you run your motor at 35K-40K then its going to perform just like a nitro. I've got my tekno clutch on my losi 8ight but haven't got it to the track yet. Testing wise, 6S has been great.

lincpimp 01.05.2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 138767)
Seriously? 3s on a revo is your standard setup??? Thats makin me wonder how that clutch setup will stand up to 4s, 5s and even 6s power that some will throw at it. Have you done any testing with real power in it?

I have run the clutch setup on 5s, geared for 40mph and after the new shoes break in it runs very well and does not produce much if any heat.

david lamontagn 01.05.2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 138745)
Four reasons (for me anyway):

1: The first gear has a OWB as people said, so you have to find a way to grab the shaft in both directions if you want elec brakes.

2: The input gear is smaller so there are fewer teeth. I figured fewer teeth would see more wear than a gear with more teeth.

3: You need a fairly large pinion and small spur to make up for the low gearing in the tranny if you want decent top speeds. Locking in second allows you to have more gearing options and uses eay to find pinion sizes.

4: Second gear has three options; narrow, std, and wide ratios. This allows for a little more adjustability inside the tranny.

1: I'am setup with mechanical brake ever.
2: You're probably right, don't think it!
3: 22/36 give me about 35-38m/h
4: You're probably right too.

So what i'll do, is keep my 2 speed setup, and when the second gear will explode due to the torque of the brushless Neu, i'll try to gear it and run in first gear. And when the first gear will explode too, i'll rebuild my tranny and lock it in second, but keep the mechanical brake, just to give a break to the controller in a hard racing condition.:wink:

Thank you guys for you reply!

Matthew_Armeni 01.05.2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 138767)
Seriously? 3s on a revo is your standard setup??? Thats makin me wonder how that clutch setup will stand up to 4s, 5s and even 6s power that some will throw at it. Have you done any testing with real power in it?

3S and a higher kv motor and 6S and a low kv motor will effect the clutch in the same way. You're still gearing for the best performance and power output is similar (for the most part). How they effect the ESC is another story.
Also, he only said that that this was his setup right now. I'm sure he tries many setups looking for the best ones, even if it may seem unconventional.

jhautz 01.05.2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew_Armeni (Post 138807)
3S and a higher kv motor and 6S and a low kv motor will effect the clutch in the same way. You're still gearing for the best performance and power output is similar (for the most part). How they effect the ESC is another story.
Also, he only said that that this was his setup right now. I'm sure he tries many setups looking for the best ones, even if it may seem unconventional.

a higher kv motor on 3s and a lower kv motor on 6s is not even close to the same thing! WAY more potential energy with the higher voltage. Way more power for the clutch to harness and transfer.

I was just very surprised to here 3s was his standard revo setup. General consensus around here is that 3s is not enough power for a Revo to be effective, which it sounds like he agrees with. As he said... when its geared for enough power on 3s it lacks the top end speed he needs. But the fact that he had "so many" 3s batteries around told me that was his standard setup. It did sound like he tested it on 4s, in the past though. I have taken the clutch setup and put it into a 1/8 buggy to run on 5s but havent had a chance to get it out to the track yet. Hopefully next weekend and I'll then find out for myself I guess.

Anyway... I dont want to hijack Davids thread so I'm done here.

Serum 01.05.2008 04:18 PM

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35-38m/h
That would take a few hours to get a lap on a 240meter long track!

teknorc 01.05.2008 04:43 PM

The clutch performs fine with more power. There is a local guy running 4s and a 1515/1.5D with no clutch issues. I've run the clutch setup in buggies and truggies on 4s with no issues. It runs in the Revo on 4s with no issues. I'm sure it will work fine with 5s or 6s. Not sure why we're talking about clutches again, they hold up fine with .28 and .30 engines in nitro vehicles.

3s locked in 1st is what I'm currently running and it's not quite fast enough. 3s with the 2-speed is much faster and compares favorably to a nitro Revo. 4s and a 2000+ kv motor will put any nitro Revo to shame. In my experience, the 3s setup is a good track setup with plenty of power and great driveability which is why I've run it that way for so long, I don't bash.

david lamontagn 01.05.2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Serum (Post 138818)
That would take a few hours to get a lap on a 240meter long track!


35-38 miles per hour:surprised: it's not fast for you???

Matthew_Armeni 01.05.2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by david lamontagn (Post 138832)
35-38 miles per hour:surprised: it's not fast for you???

lol, you wrote m/h, which Serum jokingly took as meters per hour.:lol:

david lamontagn 01.05.2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew_Armeni (Post 138834)
lol, you wrote m/h, which Serum jokingly took as meters per hour.:lol:

That's what i'am think:lol: My english is bad, but not to this point i hope:lol:


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