[nativepaul]

Saxos are a no no for insurance here, i have a 17 year old mate that wanted one but ended up with a 106 as even though there the same car more twats crash saxos, £2000 is a very good price indeed for a VTR, I assume that is with a black box fitted, my buddy is paying around £1300 for a £500 106 1.1 with black box fitted, think he said it was near 2k without. if you want something fast and insurable or cheap to insure even without speed it pretty much has to be something uncool apart from the original Mini, but they cost a fair whack to buy these days. if I was 17 i'd be looking at Skoda/volvo for a bit of speed, or kia/hyundai for cheap a-b transport.