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NovakTwo · **Any interest in a Ballistic 550 Motor? -** 11.20.2009, 12:58 PM

You guys are the experts.

Would any of you be interested in a Ballistic 550 motor, with the same re-buildable features as our 540 motors? Which KVs would be most useful? We would definitely offer the 6.5T (3400 Kv).

Offering one would be relatively quick and with the 14mm rotor installed, it might be a fine motor for certain applications. We are having a project update meeting today, so if you have any inputs, post them here.

Which vehicles do you see this 550 size motor being used in?

PS: we now offer Ballistic 540 wound stators in some "Specialty" winds:

Ballistic Motor Hand Wound Specialty Stators

gixxer · 11.20.2009, 09:07 PM

I really like the replaceable stators for the ballistic series. Just ordered one of your specialty 9.5 stators for my rt5 for our indoor track.

As for the 550 style. I personally am not in the market for another 8th scale motor (a little late for me, already bought tekin motors this summer). I do think its still a great idea just not something I would buy at this time.

11.21.2009, 12:36 AM

IMO the nice features of the Ballistic are more orientiated to racers. I think the HV is a great motor size for the Slash 4x4 sized vehicles. Perhaps with that being a racers market a Ballistic version would be appropriate for that.

But without a better esc to go with it, could be a tough market to crack. You need a 100amp constant, 6s capable, computer programmable, sensorless capabilty, esc. Then get the combo in the 220 ballpark.

E-Revonut · 11.21.2009, 01:17 AM

Currently I have no use for one but perhaps in the spring. What would the difference be between a 550 ballistic and an hv motor? My idea is to keep my E-maxx stock and waterproof through the winter but in the spring I was planning on a MMP running a HV 6.5 motor. The computer adjustability and CS I beleive make the MMP a better esc choice. My first large scale brushless system was an HV Maxx 4.5, power was good but the esc couldn't keep up. So if a 550 sizedballistic motor would offer mean advantage over an hv motor I'm all for it, if the price is right

NovakTwo · 11.21.2009, 12:04 PM

A Ballistic 550 would be the same size as the HV Pro motors, but feature the 14mm tuning rotor, which provides a higher temperature threshold. (And, of course, the re-buildability.)

The street price would probably be @125.00. As I posted elsewhere, installing this rotor decreases the published Kv of our existing motors by @20%.

E.G: our current 7.5T motor is rated at 3000Kv, so a 7.5T Ballistic 550 would be 2400 Kv. We may want to send out a few prototypes for users to test test with the Tekins/MMP sensored escs and provide some feedback.

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Originally Posted by E-Revonut

Currently I have no use for one but perhaps in the spring. What would the difference be between a 550 ballistic and an hv motor? My idea is to keep my E-maxx stock and waterproof through the winter but in the spring I was planning on a MMP running a HV 6.5 motor. The computer adjustability and CS I beleive make the MMP a better esc choice. My first large scale brushless system was an HV Maxx 4.5, power was good but the esc couldn't keep up. So if a 550 sizedballistic motor would offer mean advantage over an hv motor I'm all for it, if the price is right

snellemin · 11.21.2009, 01:32 PM

Coolbeans. Sign me up for the 7.5 motor.

E-Revonut · 11.22.2009, 02:26 PM

sending PM to NovakTwo

himalaya · 11.29.2009, 06:16 AM

Yes as a great sensorted 1/8 motor option. Do we have any chance to have a strongger rotor? 17mm at least(Medusa), 18mm better(Neu), 19mm best(Castle).

NovakTwo · 11.29.2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by himalaya

Yes as a great sensorted 1/8 motor option. Do we have any chance to have a strongger rotor? 17mm at least(Medusa), 18mm better(Neu), 19mm best(Castle).

I'm not sure that the rotor dimensions among various motors, (sensored/sensorless or 550 size vs ??) are comparable. Our rotors and air gap are specific to our motor design.

fastbaja5b · 11.29.2009, 10:35 PM

I think the existing motors need to prove themselves first, my experience with Novak has been less than impressive, I was the first one in my state to run a Novak GTB system (yrs back), second run a lead came out of the sensor plug, after being screwed around by your joke of an Australian Distributor (who is still a joke), the motor gave it up (continued glitching), I ended up selling the GTB system for like $100 and bought an LRP Sphere system which ran flawlessly for a yr or so

Yes that's in the past, but bad experiences are memories that linger with people, I haven't chanced it with a Novak product since, and from what I read, the Ballistic motors run hot as well! (My Fantom Ion 17.5 came off at 38 degrees celcius after a 6 minute Slash race, a fellow racer with the same gearing, running a Novak Ballistic 17.5, came off at 62 celcius)

himalaya · 11.30.2009, 12:20 AM

I love novak products, 3 sets of GTB+Velociti run extremely well in my 2WD AE B4, 4WD HB D4 buggies and a touring car.

For 1/10 vehicles they are great.

For 1/8 buggies/truggies and monsters, I tried the HV pro in my E-MAXX3905 ended up with selling the combo for half price and went to CC MMM+6S LiPo and get shocked what the phrase "heaven and earth" actually mean....

Novak 550s are good motors to drive vehicles below 3kg. It's time for novak to have some real bad boy coming. You know this is a 1/8 blooming age, you started it(!) and should continue leading.

crazyjr · 12.01.2009, 06:43 AM

I started with a novak HV4400 and was impressed with how it mimicked the nitro's for power and powerband, it made it easier for me to step up and run more powerful systems later. But i think the current design is lacking in the true 1/8 world, It's still a great motor for the E-revo and E-maxx, but for direct drive apps (1/8 buggy) I'm not sure, the traxxas trucks have gearboxes and slippers to help. My hv4400 would come off the track at 225*f for the esc and 190+ for the motor, I was running 12/66 gearing with the origional bonded rotor in a Revo G2R setup. Personally, i'd like to see lower kv setups in the 1800 to 2000 kv range, I believe the problem is that running 4s and higher kv is leading to the higher than normal temps

whitrzac · 12.01.2009, 09:08 AM

I could see them beeing used...
but $125 is waay to much, mabey somwere around $90-$100

I just want a 4.5 with a 1/8 shaft for speed runs

FYI you need lower KVs

ta_man · 12.02.2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whitrzac

I could see them beeing used...
but $125 is waay to much, mabey somwere around $90-$100

I just want a 4.5 with a 1/8 shaft for speed runs

FYI you need lower KVs

You can find them every now and then on fleabay. I've seen two sold in the last month (been looking for one too).

12.03.2009, 01:46 AM

I think the 8th scale ballistic would be cool as long as there is some low KV motors like 1800 ish. Like the tekin motor line up would be a good example. Even if there isnt a 6s from you guys, have the option for guys that have the esc's to do so. Because the ballistic motor design is super sick, especially for racing when you want to try a different motor, just buy a new winding. =D

Wish I had something to test a motor in. Haha