Mamba Max Settings for Neu 1512

[JeffEmbracedDC]

Hey, guys.

So I'm looking to find out what the "best" settings are for a Mamba Max running a Neu motor. I'm talking about timing, punch control, etc.

Until recently I was under the impression that high timing was ultimately a speed increase/added amp draw/higher temps, and low timing was of course the opposite. However, after reading through the forums recently I have read that various motor types run better on one timing than another. For example, feigaos run "better" on 0 degrees timing, neu motors run "better" on 10 degrees, etc.

Also I read how adjusting the punch control can somehow relate to how many poles the motor has.

So basically I'd just like the record set straight in regards to the settings of a mamba max and their relation to different motor types. Of course I don't necessarily expect the answer to be clear-cut. I hope I don't sound as silly as I feel.

Personally I'm running a 1512/2D on 4s/5ah/25c in a Losi 8 buggy. Thanks, guys.

-Jeff

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by JeffEmbracedDC

Hey, guys.

So I'm looking to find out what the "best" settings are for a Mamba Max running a Neu motor. I'm talking about timing, punch control, etc.

Until recently I was under the impression that high timing was ultimately a speed increase/added amp draw/higher temps, and low timing was of course the opposite. However, after reading through the forums recently I have read that various motor types run better on one timing than another. For example, feigaos run "better" on 0 degrees timing, neu motors run "better" on 10 degrees, etc.

Also I read how adjusting the punch control can somehow relate to how many poles the motor has.

So basically I'd just like the record set straight in regards to the settings of a mamba max and their relation to different motor types. Of course I don't necessarily expect the answer to be clear-cut. I hope I don't sound as silly as I feel.

Personally I'm running a 1512/2D on 4s/5ah/25c in a Losi 8 buggy. Thanks, guys.

-Jeff

"Best" setting is tough to determine -- so much depends on your setup and driving style.

People talk about different motors running on different timing -- but timing is usually a trade-off between power and heat. If your motor is getting hot, just bump down the timing a little. You will probably not notice much difference in power, but the heat on the motor will drop. For this reason, I usually recommend "low" timing for any setup.

You can think of "punch control" as a software wheely bar. Limits acceleration power. The best setting can usually by found by experimentation.

[JeffEmbracedDC]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

"Best" setting is tough to determine -- so much depends on your setup and driving style.

People talk about different motors running on different timing -- but timing is usually a trade-off between power and heat. If your motor is getting hot, just bump down the timing a little. You will probably not notice much difference in power, but the heat on the motor will drop. For this reason, I usually recommend "low" timing for any setup.

You can think of "punch control" as a software wheely bar. Limits acceleration power. The best setting can usually by found by experimentation.

That's about what I had always figured. I read some things about hoe feigaos "like low timing" and neus run "better" on 10 deg than anything else. I suppose Feigaos "like low timing" because they run so hot.

I'll keep experimenting and see how it works out. I should should be using a lap timing system to really determine what's best.

Thanks!

-Jeff

[bdebde]

Neu recommends low timing with their motors, 10 deg max I believe.

[Arct1k]

Excert..
2) Use low (0-10 degrees)or medium(10-15 degrees) advance settings for “Y” wind motors and low (0-10 degrees) advance settings for “D” wind versions.

FULL FAQ

NeuMotors FAQs

Number of poles?


The 11,14,15 and 22 series motors all have 12 slot stators and 4 pole rotors.


The 12 series motors have 24 slot stators and 26 magnet poles.


The 19 and 17 series motors all have 24 slot stators and 8 pole rotors.


The 44 series motors are 36 slot stators and 12 pole magnet rotors.





Suggested controller settings when using the CC125 and CC180 controller with NeuMotors FAI type motors:


Set cutoff to 4 volts (option 2)


Disable current limit (option 5)


Brake type: Hard brake, no delay (option 4)


Throttle type: Fixed throttle (option 2)


Advance: Low advance timing (option 3)


Cutoff Type: Soft cutoff (option 2)


Soft Start: Fast start (option 3)


PWM Switching Rate: 13 kHz (option 1)





Note that that Castle has released an improved version of the software, which lets the user adjust the brake ramp, which is a good idea as the


brake is very strong, and has been known to break motor mounts. You need to use the link to install this option. See the Castle Creations web


site for information http://www.castlecreations.com.





With the link software option I would suggest that the brake be set to the following for F5B motors:


• .1 second ramp.


• No brake delay.


• Maximum brake


This will give you a fast acting brake that should avoid damaging the motor mount.





Helicopter settings for the Castle Creations HV series controllers settings:


1) Cutoff voltage --depends on number of cells


2) Cutoff type--Soft cutoff


3) Throttle type-- Heli: Governor high for most 19 series applications and high RPM 15 series setups.


4) Motor start power-- Custom: “0”


5) Throttle response-- Custom: “0”


6) Motor timing-- Mild advance


7) PWM--13khz


8) Current limit--Insensitive


9) Governor gain: High (80)


10) Spool-up speed-- Custom: 10





General Castle Creation ESC settings for all Neumotors:


1) LVC—settings depend on your setup and number of cells.


2) Current limit disabled for high F5B power setups—up to user for other applications.


3) Brake—depends on user needs. Sport planes usually have brake off. The newer versions of software offer user selectable braking for larger F3A and IMAC stunt planes.


4) Throttle type—fixed.


5) For most uses the low advance setting is best—motors have better efficiency. “Y” wind motors can use medium advance for a little more power or speed. “D” wind motors should always use low advance as there is no improvement with higher advance settings.


6) Cutoff—up to user.


7) Startup—depends on use. Sport planes the soft start is good. For contest planes the fast start is best.


8) PWM frequency –the lowest settings work well with all Neumotors 11/13KHz.





Settings for “other” brushless ESCs:


1) 11XX,15XX and 22XX series of motors are all 4 pole designs. 19XX series are 8 poles and the 44XX series are 12 poles.


2) Use low (0-10 degrees)or medium(10-15 degrees) advance settings for “Y” wind motors and low (0-10 degrees) advance settings for “D” wind versions.


3) Brake settings are up to the user and application.

Don't mean to hijack, but can i run a 1521 1D or a 1515 1.5D effeciently with a Mamba Max on 4s?

Don't know about the 1521, but the 1515 will run fine.

I run the 1512 1.5d on 4s and use the lowest timing setting and zero punch control. I find playing around with the throttle curve is better than the punch control. My motor rarely gets above 150 after 15 minutes on the track.