27" Mac

[PBO]

I've spent a long time in PC's & reluctantly agreed when my wife insisted on a Mac...why am I always walking past the PC to use the Mac

Have I been 'jobbed' by Jobbs?

[nitrostarter]

I checked out the 27inch MAC when we bought my sisters Macbook pro a couple months back. That baby is NICE!! I said that would be my next desktop if I bought a desktop...

But i'm leaning towards getting a macbook pro myself.

[E-Revonut]

I went for a macbook pro back in March when my HP laptop kicked the bucket. Absolutely love it! The price is the only downfall really. My only other complaints are how it organizes pictures and that I can't close the lid and keep itunes running, otherwise it has worked flawlessly

[rawfuls]

Flame suit on, you may need it...

Desktop Mac's to me seem too over-simplified...
Although it rips when it comes to graphics and design...
The variety of programs it has compared to the PC's doesn't stand a chance.

Though, I really dig the Macbook Pros...
The designs (outer) are always so...nice.
I guess it just depends on what you grow up with..

However... the hardware...isn't worth the price you're paying.....

E-Revonut, what'd you do with the HP?
If you still have it and it's broken, I'll take it.. :D

[BrianG]

My wife has an iMac and I hate it. When it works, it works well. But if anything goes wrong where things need to be replaced, better be ready with the KY when you go to the Apple store! It's essentially laptop innards where nothing is an industry standard size. So, a part that normally costs $50 on a PC would be closer to $200 on an apple product.

Case in point, my wife's mac recently came up with a bad PS. They wanted $170 for a new one (and it's piddly power-wise)! And the day she got it back, it mysteriously developed a bad inverter module (apparently for the backlight). They were nice enough to eat the labor, but that part was another $80.

Honestly, I don't see the big deal even with graphics. Nothing that a similar sized monitor on a PC would offer. Mac OS is just a flavor of linux, so nothing fancy there. And there are PC versions of the graphics programs (Adobe bloatware).

The hardware may be better (even that is questionable), but to me, the only thing you are spending all that cash on is aesthetics. So really, it's a very pretty and expensive machine that has no advantage over PC in any other way.

And Jobs is a piece of.... Well, let's just say the guys is soooo full of himself it makes me want to punch him in the face... twice.

[rawfuls]

Originally Posted by BrianG

My wife has an iMac and I hate it. When it works, it works well. But if anything goes wrong where things need to be replaced, better be ready with the KY when you go to the Apple store! It's essentially laptop innards where nothing is an industry standard size. So, a part that normally costs $50 on a PC would be closer to $200 on an apple product.

Case in point, my wife's mac recently came up with a bad PS. They wanted $170 for a new one (and it's piddly power-wise)! And the day she got it back, it mysteriously developed a bad inverter module (apparently for the backlight). They were nice enough to eat the labor, but that part was another $80.

Honestly, I don't see the big deal even with graphics. Nothing that a similar sized monitor on a PC would offer. Mac OS is just a flavor of linux, so nothing fancy there. And there are PC versions of the graphics programs (Adobe bloatware).

The hardware may be better (even that is questionable), but to me, the only thing you are spending all that cash on is aesthetics. So really, it's a very pretty and expensive machine that has no advantage over PC in any other way.

And Jobs is a piece of.... Well, let's just say the guys is soooo full of himself it makes me want to punch him in the face... twice.

Yeah..
I know everybody (even I did) thinks AppleCare is such a rip.. (and it really is...as long as you don't drop the freaking thing!)

However, my iPods have developed some pretty things.. I apply the ZAGG (InvisibleShield, which I love btw..) the moisture MIGHT drop into the home button once or twice.. and wreak havoc with that.
You take it into the Store, they'll replace it as long as it's not under warranty.

A few my iPods have been "defected" where the screen will randomly flicker, they'll diagnose it, and just replace it. Now I'm sure it's not the same with actual computers since those actually cost a shiny penny..

Brian..
Parts are pretty much 5 times the price of a regular part..
However, some parts are pretty easily serviceable.
ifixit.com
Love it!

[simplechamp]

I have always had Apple computers. My father developed software on them, started me out on them young, and they just stuck. So I am pretty partial to them. I do have a PC now, which is the first non-Apple computer I've had since I was 5, and which I use almost exclusively for gaming. I also have a Windows partition on my Apple, but the HD2600 video card just can't cut it anymore with new games.

Here's the way I see the whole price vs. performance argument: people who tend to dislike Apple often argue that a PC can offer same specs for lower price. While that may be true, the fallacy is that this automatically makes a PC better or more desirable than an Apple.

People pay more money for a lot of things, even though it may offer no extra utility or performance. A designer handbag costs $1000, but does it function as a handbag any better than a $5 one from Walmart? A Mercedes might cost twice as much as a Honda with similar specs that can do the job just as well. To relate to RC, look at Xray, they tailor to people who want the high end and "luxury", but many would argue that a cheaper Ofna can win races just the same.

An Apple computer is the same situation. For whatever reason, people see some amount of value there above and beyond specs. It could be because of the name, it could be for the aesthetic value, and a whole list of other reasons.

[PBO]

The wireless mouse & keyboard are already starting to work sporadically...stupid white box of wires!

[rawfuls]

Originally Posted by simplechamp

I have always had Apple computers. My father developed software on them, started me out on them young, and they just stuck. So I am pretty partial to them. I do have a PC now, which is the first non-Apple computer I've had since I was 5, and which I use almost exclusively for gaming. I also have a Windows partition on my Apple, but the HD2600 video card just can't cut it anymore with new games.

Here's the way I see the whole price vs. performance argument: people who tend to dislike Apple often argue that a PC can offer same specs for lower price. While that may be true, the fallacy is that this automatically makes a PC better or more desirable than an Apple.

People pay more money for a lot of things, even though it may offer no extra utility or performance. A designer handbag costs $1000, but does it function as a handbag any better than a $5 one from Walmart? A Mercedes might cost twice as much as a Honda with similar specs that can do the job just as well. To relate to RC, look at Xray, they tailor to people who want the high end and "luxury", but many would argue that a cheaper Ofna can win races just the same.

An Apple computer is the same situation. For whatever reason, people see some amount of value there above and beyond specs. It could be because of the name, it could be for the aesthetic value, and a whole list of other reasons.

Yeah, my goal whenever I do get a Mac is to partition it for W7.. Or hackint0sh my current machine.. Or maybe I'll hackint0sh when I get a computer that is actually capable of such.

As far as the price thing goes, I still think they'd get much larger sales had they lower all their prices to under a grand.

It looks like the starting price for ALL their computers is about a grand.. Besides the Mac Mini, well, say drop that to $800, I'd bet a lot more people would feel better when they see two 0's instead of 3..
Hell, if it was a good 2-3 hundred bucks cheaper, I may even grab one..

Just my opinion

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by simplechamp

I have always had Apple computers. My father developed software on them, started me out on them young, and they just stuck. So I am pretty partial to them. I do have a PC now, which is the first non-Apple computer I've had since I was 5, and which I use almost exclusively for gaming. I also have a Windows partition on my Apple, but the HD2600 video card just can't cut it anymore with new games.

Here's the way I see the whole price vs. performance argument: people who tend to dislike Apple often argue that a PC can offer same specs for lower price. While that may be true, the fallacy is that this automatically makes a PC better or more desirable than an Apple.

People pay more money for a lot of things, even though it may offer no extra utility or performance. A designer handbag costs $1000, but does it function as a handbag any better than a $5 one from Walmart? A Mercedes might cost twice as much as a Honda with similar specs that can do the job just as well. To relate to RC, look at Xray, they tailor to people who want the high end and "luxury", but many would argue that a cheaper Ofna can win races just the same.

An Apple computer is the same situation. For whatever reason, people see some amount of value there above and beyond specs. It could be because of the name, it could be for the aesthetic value, and a whole list of other reasons.

Very good point. Just like the stupid designer womens stuff (all of it is very overpriced) many people will pay out the nose to have a cool looking whatever in their house.

Almost everything falls into this category. Like the people who buy Harley Davidson bikes instead of the superior japanese bikes, or people eho just have to have Heckler Koch guns over a glock. Perceived value, and who am I to say anything about that!!!

I find that PC fits my desire to have user replacable parts, and could care less about style in 99% of the functional things I own. I currently have about 7 pcs, 6 desktop and 1 laptop scattered around my home and business, and have worked on almost all of them. I guess just go with what you know!!!

[reno911]

I have had the same Macbook g4 for going on 5 years now. I owned 4 pc's before that purchase, each had it's own respective year in which it lived and died. Wanting a regular computer, non laptop, we got the imac a year ago it is everything I could ask for and more.

When I bought PC's the second thing I always had to buy was Ant-this Malware-that. The second thing I bought for my mac was, nothing.

I feel this is something Apple brings to the table, regardless of what people say otherwise.

That and they truly are beautiful.

[BrianG]

The lack of AV/malware is inherent in any linux box, whether that's a Mac or any other of a billion flavors of Linux. And really, that's only because malware writers want to get the most bang for the buck so are writing for Windows. If M$ stopped Windows tomorrow, there would be a new target OS.

My wife says Macs are for work and PCs are for play. I counter that with either platform can be used for both; it's just a matter of convenience (don't need emulators or the like on Windows). I too am tired of needing resource-hogging AV/malware software, but it's the way it is for now if you run Windows. So, the choice is 1) Use windows which can run anything on any system, but you have to deal with malware. Or 2) Use Linux/Mac and not worry about malware, but getting games to run takes some jumping through hoops. Pick your poison.

And yes, Macs are "pretty". No denying that. But like Linc, I prefer function over form for the most part. That and the lower hardware cost and ease of working on a PC is a big plus. To me anyway.

[rawfuls]

I think it just comes down to, are you smart enough for PC's..
I mean, most guys don't really get Virus's anymore..
Then again, my dad got one the other day and came to me asking if "Antivirus 8" was any good because he was about to pay for it..

I honestly think picking up one REPUTABLE AV that ISNT in stores would suit you best.
Take nod32 for instance (I love my copy...), I mention it in school, and everybody is like "DOODZ WUT U SMOKING? MCAFFEE IS DA BEST DAWG".. (I hope nobody uses McAfee here..)
It's just like what BrianG said. (or how I took it)
The more reputable something is (or popular), the more heat it's gonna get.
Things get by Norton and McAfee all day long, since the writers actually can bypass it. Whatever is used in the mass, they can get the biggest hit on.
Since nod32 is like Linux/any other distros, the writers don't really care whether or not their shenanigans can get past the other-name'd AV's/Malware catchers because the majority of the people don't use the other-name'd stuff.

Second, I think as long as you're not browsing pr0n (the sketchy stuff anyways), you're most likely safe from malware/virus's that includes clicking those random links that "magically" appear in your email inbox..

Oh well.

[JERRY2KONE]

Well I have had a cusiosity for Mac for a long time, but because of the up front cost of their systems, and the rediculous cost of replacement parts I have stayed away from them. Mac is killing itself just by keeping the profit margines so high on their products. If they would just lower their pricing 20% I believe many more people would switch over just to try them out. We have 6 laptops, and three desktops in our home and none of them are Mac. Being very mechanically inclined I go with what I can work on and fix myself(novis), and for reasonable pricing for replacement parts.

Using that comparison to handbags was great. Just reading that confirms to me why the only people who stick with Mac are following a trend of people who want to be different or unique in some way. Just like owners of BMW's or other high priced vehicles that have very high maintenance costs. We all have to look at what advantages we can gain using one over the other, especially with our economy being what it is today. What real world advantages do Mac's offer over any other platforms for that exuberant pricing? NONE... So I guess I will stick with what I have until something changes to lure me over to the dark side.

[lincpimp]

I have been wanting to set up a pc with linux as I mainly browse. I do not play games or use any office type programs on my home pc. Just internet. I put win7 on it and seem to liker that alot more than vista, which I flat refuse to use. I was and still am a big xp fan, but I see the benefit on win7. Mainly stick with these OS as I know how to search around and pull the spyware and viruses out. I guess going to linux would cure that probelm...

Which browsers does linux support? I use IE8 at home, but have been using google chrome at work and like it slightly better.