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Is anyone racing their 1/8 buggy? -
04.06.2006, 06:22 PM
I know there are a lot of people out there that have converted their buggy and Trucks to electric, but I want to hear from people that are racing 1/8 buggies. I would like to know how long are the heats, and what is the setup you are using.
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04.06.2006, 09:18 PM
i think metelman races his and im pretty sure that people with converted bugies just race against nitros.
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04.07.2006, 10:01 AM
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i think metelman races his and im pretty sure that people with converted bugies just race against nitros.
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Metalman, is that true do you race yours?
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04.07.2006, 10:28 AM
I have not raced mine. I mainly bash it around. I would like to race it though.
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04.07.2006, 11:04 AM
CCristo and I are working on my 1/8th buggy conversion now, and I plan to race it at my local track this season. First race should be May 7th.
I don't expect to bash with it at all, actually...just racing :003:
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1/8 Brushless setup -
04.07.2006, 03:42 PM
My next project is to convert a 1/8 buggy from nitro to electric for strictly racing purposes. . I am planning to go brushless and Lipo. My questions are:
What is the best and easiest buggy to convert? Does anyone know what the lightest buggy is out there that is a good racer?
What is the best ESC/Motor combo for competitive racing? I am looking for power similar to a quality nitro engine, and the smooth power curve of a quality electric ESC.
What are the best Lipo’s to go with? The packs on Maxamps.com are reasonably priced, but do they have the same quality and output when compared to other manufacturers?
What are the run times based on the suggestions that you may have for the buggy suggestion, motor/esc setup, and the battery setup?
I am aware that a voltage regulator, charger, and cell equalizer are also necessary. I think those are all of my questions for now. If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it.
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04.07.2006, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by futurespeed
My next project is to convert a 1/8 buggy from nitro to electric for strictly racing purposes. . I am planning to go brushless and Lipo. My questions are:
What is the best and easiest buggy to convert? Does anyone know what the lightest buggy is out there that is a good racer?
What is the best ESC/Motor combo for competitive racing? I am looking for power similar to a quality nitro engine, and the smooth power curve of a quality electric ESC.
What are the best Lipo’s to go with? The packs on Maxamps.com are reasonably priced, but do they have the same quality and output when compared to other manufacturers?
What are the run times based on the suggestions that you may have for the buggy suggestion, motor/esc setup, and the battery setup?
I am aware that a voltage regulator, charger, and cell equalizer are also necessary. I think those are all of my questions for now. If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it.
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I will answer you as best as I can from the testing I have done. One thing I would caution you on is if you are trying to get something that can truly race, becareful who you take advise from. Qualify wether the person that is giving it to you is just bashing their stuff or if they have actually tried it under race conditions on a track. 10 minutes of bashing is not even close to the same as 10 minutes of racing as far as temp goes to a speed control and motor. These are just my opinions:
The biggest problem is figuring out how to get a plastic spur gear on whatever buggy you choose. It is for this reason alone that I like to do either a hyper 7 or a Kyosho k3. Kyosho makes a plastic replacement spur gear that will work on both the K car and the ofna Hyper 7. There is no other modification necessary and you don't need a slipper. This makes things simple. Hyper 7 is definatley the lightest of the two, but Kyosho will out-handle it, so choose your poison.
As for power, most everything that you read on these boards will perform equal or better than the nitro. The problem is trying to find something that will last for the duration of the heats you are going to run without overheating. I would need to know how long are the heats that your track run in order to give you a suggestion.
Lipo's are a little easier. I have Thuder Power 4s2p 6000mah packs. IMO this is the best. I also have Max amp packs and I think for the price they are great, although I have not tested them long enough to see how long they are going to last.
Runtime. I myself am trying to get a 20min setup that won't overheat. Batteries aren't an issue. I have got one combination to do it so far, but I wasn't pleased with the software in the controller. I think that if you want 10min's or less you have a ton of choices and the lipo's I mentioned above can run that time with no problem.
If you want to check with me as you get closer to doing your project I may have more info for you because I am still in the process of testing motors and ESC's. I have tried just about every ESC out there and most of the motor's, so I would be glad to share my info with whoever wants it.
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04.07.2006, 06:37 PM
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Metalman, is that true do you race yours?
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If I did, you would know about it! I would rather choose to race with you there also, it would provide some nice competition for the nitros!
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04.07.2006, 07:08 PM
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If I did, you would know about it! I would rather choose to race with you there also, it would provide some nice competition for the nitros!
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Yeah, I didn't think you had but I thought I would ask just in case. Well we'll have to go to Revelation Raceway and race!
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04.07.2006, 08:13 PM
Great post, cspurlock!
I'd like to add that another option for an "easier" conversion is the OFNA Ultra series. The 51T nylon spur so many people are used to seeing on the Strobe slipper is actually a replacement spur for the OFNA Ultra center diff, so it's a direct fit.
Bear in mind that the OFNA Ultra series (Ultra LX Comp, Ultra MBX) aren't the higher-end racing buggies, but they can hold their own in the right hands and are a more economical alternative when considering the total cost of obtaining the buggy and converting to electric. These buggies typically cost from $275 to $325 in RTR form, while the more race-bred buggies can be over $400, $500, even $600 in kit form.
I'd recommend the best you can afford at the time you purchase, and also wanted to add this option.
Best of luck!
We'll see how my 3-year-old OFNA Ultra MBX Pro does in about a month :003:
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04.12.2006, 06:17 PM
CS,
Thanks for the help regarding the buggy. Why is the plastic spur necessary? With a nitro buggy everyone runs a metal spur and a metal clutch bell, and they last for a good while.
Since the batteries are not the main issue, in you opinion what is a good motor/ESC combination that will run for at least 10 min. without overheating while providing ample power?
Thanks
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04.12.2006, 09:06 PM
With an electric motor to be run on a metal spur gear, you need a hardened steel pinion gear, which would cost more and aren't [easily] available. With a plastic spur gear, you can use one of the commonly available mod1 pinions.
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04.13.2006, 06:07 AM
You have to go with a top notch ESCs( Schulze 129.18 or 149.18 or a Micro 12020-15020- the micros come with large heat sinks, BTW, the Schulzes dont. All of these are around the 400-500 dollars). Mostly any brushless motor will deliver you top performance, but if you want to race against a real high quality engine , like the Novarossi for example, I would go for a Lehner 1940-1950 motors( around 7-8 turns) with 4-5s lipos. The Plettenburg is great, too. These highend motors are built with extreme precision and they stay cooler than most brushless motors with high effeciency and more torque. These motors are between the 270 and 340 dollars. They're worth it, IMHO.
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04.13.2006, 09:51 AM
If you want to wait until after this weekend, I am going to try the MGM 160 with my lehner and see how it works. So far the only thing I have tried that can go over 10mins without getting too hot in "race" conditions is the BK 201120 with a Lehner 1950\6. All the less expensive motors will overheat unless you are just bashing around. The MGM is a little cheaper than the BK so it might be a better way to go. If you plan on racing, I wouldn't go any less than these or you will just overheat.
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06.05.2006, 10:17 PM
Guys I'm thinking about running the 10xl and warrior 9920 on 2 3s 6000mah in an OFNA Hyper 7.
You think I'll get any heating issues. What run-times should I expect?
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