hobbywing ezrun 150A vs Mamba monster

[mtsmat2008]

sup guys,after many engines and engine rebuilds i am thru with nitro and taking the plundge into brushless i am planning to do my first nitro to brushless on my lst2. i plan on running 5s lipo with stock gearing 24/63. i am just having trouble deciding what motor/esc combo to use. its either the hobby wing 4465sl (2000 kv 150a esc) and the mamba monster (2200 kv 120a esc)does any body suggest either one to power such a heavy truck

[BrianG]

I'm not really sure how the HobbyWing motors compare, but the MMM motors are a good design (based on Neu motors), so I would go with that. As far as the ESC itself goes, the MMM and 150A have similar specs. Each have the good points, so it depends on what is important to you (USA support/warranty, physical size, upgradability/programmability, price, etc)

[jzemaxx]

Both ESC's have a good and bad point. As far as capability, looks like they will be about even. The MMM does have the luxury of laptop changing, but the EZ150A has the program card that can be easily programmed at the track, instead of pulling out a laptop and waiting to load. So both have pros and cons. As for motors...hard to say. I have both the NEU's and the HW-3674 motor here, and I have yet to pull the motor apart, but it doesn't look bad. I did notice that the endbell on the HW is held by screws, so somebody actually used some common sense in the build.

[superek4]

Originally Posted by mtsmat2008

sup guys,after many engines and engine rebuilds i am thru with nitro and taking the plundge into brushless i am planning to do my first nitro to brushless on my lst2. i plan on running 5s lipo with stock gearing 24/63. i am just having trouble deciding what motor/esc combo to use. its either the hobby wing 4465sl (2000 kv 150a esc) and the mamba monster (2200 kv 120a esc)does any body suggest either one to power such a heavy truck

hi, the mmmv3 neu motor looks good but I hv enough of mmmv3 failure. I m trying HW150a esc but I will use my 2000kv medusa motor.HW150a has a program card which u can use a laptop or just at the track.

For the price of the HW it's worth trying. I will write a review on the HW after my 22th march race.

I hv race with HW100a plane esc with no prob just the brakes are hard brakes.

Happy deciding:)

[jzemaxx]

Just for kicks we are doing a test tonight already. Just ran the MMM 2200 with 3S on my buddy's E-revo on the GPS. Swapping the HW150 in with the 2350KV motor to see if it will get even close to the same mph and temps, or is the motor alot more in-efficient....we'll find out. Same 3S and gearing.

BTW, the E-revo on 62/22 with 3S and 5.25" tires went 24.6mph.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by mtsmat2008

sup guys,after many engines and engine rebuilds i am thru with nitro and taking the plundge into brushless i am planning to do my first nitro to brushless on my lst2. i plan on running 5s lipo with stock gearing 24/63. i am just having trouble deciding what motor/esc combo to use. its either the hobby wing 4465sl (2000 kv 150a esc) and the mamba monster (2200 kv 120a esc)does any body suggest either one to power such a heavy truck

I have a converted lst, and have tried a few motors, all with a monster esc. I really think is will be superior to the HW esc. As far as the motor goes, not sure of the castle motor will move that truck to almost 50mph. You may want to gear it down a bit, like a 22t pinion. And you will need a good 5s lipo, at least 150 amp cont rating, no maxamps...

FYI, I run a hacker c50 10xl (1600kv) on a 6s 4500 30c flightpower lipo. Gearing is 24/63 and I have the FOC gearset with the gears flipped for a bit less overall reduction. I have some badlands on it right now, but plan to put the lst2 wheels and tires on it. They are taller and heavier, so I am going to a 1521 1y (1577kv) and may drop to a 23t pinion. My current setup will get that 6s battery quite warm... Something to think about....

[Aceldama]

The MMMv3 has definitely had more real world testing done to it and (3 revisions later) it's probably more robust than the EZRUN-150A. The EZRUN system that my friends and I do have though have been really tough and reliable. What scares me though is that if the EZRUN-150 is as fragile as the first two MMM ESCs how will the HobbyWing customer service respond? I'm guessing not great. But I've never had to use their customer service so I'm not sure.

[jzemaxx]

Ok guys....questions here.

We did a simple test here last night. We took 1 3S lipo peaked it on the hyperion. On the E-revo with the MMM 2200KV setup the truck went 24.6mph on the GPS. We then swapped in the EZ-150A with the 36-74 combo and the truck then went 30.5mph on the GPS. Swapped it back and forth twice....mph on both setups again was within .2mph everytime. SO, what is going on??? The 2200KV Neu vs a 2350KV HW motor their should not be 6mph difference with just KV alone. So one of the motors is either off on the KV. Both motors were ran with 15 deg of timing as well if that matters.

[BrianG]

So, at first glance, it looks like the MMM/2200 combo is slower on the same voltage?

I would try to isolate where the difference is:

First, run the same motor/voltage/gearing/vehicle with different ESCs. If one ESC is faster that the other, it could simply be transmitter calibration. If both ESCs yield the same speed on the same motor, then it's a motor kv inaccuracy, or maybe one rates theirs unloaded, while the other rates theirs at an arbitrary load.

[jzemaxx]

I will try that this evening. I will put the 2200KV motor back on and then simply try the two different ESC's.

[Raze ST Truggy]

Originally Posted by jzemaxx

I will try that this evening. I will put the 2200KV motor back on and then simply try the two different ESC's.

Any more updates as to how the CC2200 compares to the HW2350?

-Brian

[jzemaxx]

Yes....we swapped the HW motor with the MMM ESC, and the mph once again went down....hmm. I'm wondering what the difference is with the ESC's then, or is some settings different then the others. Don't know yet. Swapped the CC2200 motor in with the HW controller as well to try it and it picked up mph as well. So something is amiss....not sure what.

[junkman]

what radio are you using, you may need to turn the endpoints up for the throttle. I just ran into this swapping over to a dx3s. It may be close enough to give the hw full throttle, but not have enough travel to give full throttle on the mmm. Or recalibrate the esc to the radio to make sure you are getting full throttle.

[jzemaxx]

Using a DX 2.0. The radio was setup for the MMM originally so the endpoints are setup fot it. The HW I set it up using the same endpoint going through their procedure.

[lutach]

I've heard of others having similar results. They loose some speed with the Mamba Monster.