Is the CDC for real? - RC-Monster Forums

lutach · 04:38 PM

Let me know what you all think, because here in NJ and Florida, my friends, family and I haven't heard of any of this what so called (In my opinion another man made crap) swine flu aka H1N1.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091210/..._med_swine_flu

"CDC: About 1 in 6 Americans have had swine flu

ATLANTA – Health officials now estimate that swine flu has sickened nearly 50 million Americans and killed nearly 10,000.

The new estimates mean about 1 in 6 Americans have had the illness. The figures were released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday.
The CDC also estimates that 200,000 people have been hospitalized since the virus was first identified in April though mid-November. That's the same amount that occurs normally in an entire flu season."

MetalMan · 12.10.2009, 04:46 PM

It's a bigger "threat" around highly populated areas, especially college campuses. A few weeks ago UCI (the school I go to) offered free H1N1 vaccines which I took advantage of. However, I would definitely say 1/6 is way too much. Out of everyone I talk to regularly or hear about, only 2-3 even got it. That's more like 1/15 at most.

lutach · 12.10.2009, 05:04 PM

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It's a bigger "threat" around highly populated areas, especially college campuses. A few weeks ago UCI (the school I go to) offered free H1N1 vaccines which I took advantage of. However, I would definitely say 1/6 is way too much. Out of everyone I talk to regularly or hear about, only 2-3 even got it. That's more like 1/15 at most.

I thought the same thing, 1 out of 6 is a very high number. My friend works in NYC and he hasn't seen any case yet. He asked me a few times where are the numbers coming from and I told him I had no idea.

skellyo · 12.10.2009, 05:15 PM

2 people I know personally have had it and the wife of one of those passed away from it. So, I know of 3 people that have had it. Another thing to consider is that some folks get it but show no symptons and are largely unaffected by it, yet they would test positive for H1N1. So there is a large amount of folks that have/had it and don't even know because they're unaffected by it.

lutach · 12.10.2009, 06:02 PM

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2 people I know personally have had it and the wife of one of those passed away from it. So, I know of 3 people that have had it. Another thing to consider is that some folks get it but show no symptons and are largely unaffected by it, yet they would test positive for H1N1. So there is a large amount of folks that have/had it and don't even know because they're unaffected by it.

Was it the swine flu or was it a misdiagnosed flu? Was she healthy? They say people who they have reported passing away from swine flu also had other problems and the swine flu just made it worse, but even the flu could've done it as well. I just hope nobody passes away or gets some sort of other problems after they take the vaccine.

One thing that is very strange was how this swine flu thing got started and the time it got started. I've been watching the big pharmaceuticals and mainly the ones that makes the vaccines. They sure are profiting from it and every positive news that came out the stock would just shoot upwards. Kind of strange and the same can be seen of any public traded company involved in the war.

skellyo · 12.10.2009, 09:33 PM

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2 people I know personally have had it and the wife of one of those passed away from it. So, I know of 3 people that have had it. Another thing to consider is that some folks get it but show no symptons and are largely unaffected by it, yet they would test positive for H1N1. So there is a large amount of folks that have/had it and don't even know because they're unaffected by it.

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Was it the swine flu or was it a misdiagnosed flu? Was she healthy? They say people who they have reported passing away from swine flu also had other problems and the swine flu just made it worse, but even the flu could've done it as well. I just hope nobody passes away or gets some sort of other problems after they take the vaccine.

It was definitely H1N1 as they were tested specifically for it. The lady that passed away apparently didn't like to go to doctors so it's likely her symptoms were quite bad when she got to the hospital. She was admitted, I believe on a Sunday and passed away on Weds of the same week.

One of the problems with H1N1 is that if affects you and you're not treated quickly, you stand a good chance of it causing pneumonia. Folks die from that all the time, so it's really not something to play around with if you have any symptoms.

MetalMan · 12.10.2009, 05:47 PM

Seems like it would make that whole 1/6 a true estimate then... if the doctor's don't know who does/doesn't have it without being tested then I'm at a loss how the CDC would know. Maybe they've got some advanced camera that displays a certain frequency that only H1N1-infected people emit?

Finnster · 12.10.2009, 05:59 PM

Fancy stats and modelling I'm sure. Its not like they are going to test that many people, but they can make inferences from they tested levels of infections and the types of populations that are being tested.

IDK if its right or not.

I do know I have two small kids in daycare, and they always bring home lots of bugs. Had a few nasty colds recently that went on for a while. Who knows if that's SF and no one got that ill from it. Hard to say

12.10.2009, 06:30 PM

It's not only weak people that pass away from the swine flu. In the Netherlands a few perfectly healthy kids, I believe up to about 14yrs old, passed away. As a result all infants from 6 months to 4yrs old have had a vaccin.

suicideneil · 12.10.2009, 08:16 PM

Pig flu is definately very serious- several perfectly healthy people have died of in the UK, and quite saddly several mothers who were pregnant & whom had recently given birth. Where I work, (Britannia Royal Naval College) there were several cases- those infected were students and had to be quarantined for over a week..

lutach · 12.10.2009, 09:06 PM

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Pig flu is definately very serious- several perfectly healthy people have died of in the UK, and quite saddly several mothers who were pregnant & whom had recently given birth. Where I work, (Britannia Royal Naval College) there were several cases- those infected were students and had to be quarantined for over a week..

Animals are known for their immune system's ability to kill viruses and/or diseases and that's why some antidotes are obtained by injecting horses I believe (And a crazy man in Florida I think lol). So my questions are: How did the pigs get it? How did the birds get it?

Finnster · 12.10.2009, 10:30 PM

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Animals are known for their immune system's ability to kill viruses and/or diseases and that's why some antidotes are obtained by injecting horses I believe (And a crazy man in Florida I think lol). So my questions are: How did the pigs get it? How did the birds get it?

Are you talking about monoclonal antibodies?

As far as the latter is concerned, animals are common reservoirs to many diseases. Some viruses can move between species quite easily, and may linger in one animal population, fairly innocuously to that animal, then be spread to another species with much more devastating results.

EG. West Nile Virus has a reservoir in birds, and can be transmitted to humans and horses via insect vectors (ticks and mozzies..) WNV has had some human casualties, but it has been much more devastating to horse populations in the US.

Really it looks like we've been quite lucky w/ SF. It could have been much worse, and there certainly have been very deadly flu outbreaks. Considering just how small and interconnected the world has become, as well as far more populated since the last major outbreaks, a truly lethal strain could be extremely devastating. Given enough time, one will emerge.

The media may be over-hyped it, but no one really knew wth was going on, plus the media over-hypes everything. (eg: y2k.) Esp given the time back in March when everyone thought the world was ending, a deadly global pandemic just seemed apropos.

_paralyzed_ · 12.11.2009, 07:05 AM

dunno about 1 in 6, I do know that when I was hositalized at the beginning of Nov. that the hospital was overwhelmed with flu cases. I was in for a urinary tract infection, but any movement anywhere in the hospital required a mask, and I was basically quarantined for the first two days until they could prove I didn't have H1N1. Everyone working was overwhelmed by all the flu cases. So, I saw a lot...

redshift · 12.10.2009, 08:45 PM

Luc did you see this back in about March/April... http://preventdisease.com/news/09/031109_baxter.shtml

lutach · 12.10.2009, 09:02 PM

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Luc did you see this back in about March/April... http://preventdisease.com/news/09/031109_baxter.shtml

Kind of makes one wonder doesn't it?

I read many things on viruses being grown in labs. I followed a few stories of the Soviet Union doing it and the US.

What are Nature's viruses and diseases? I would rather get something nature made then man made if you know what I mean.