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04.12.2008, 11:21 AM

this topic was brought up on rumrunners forum , these guys have both but apparently the only difference between the two is the rear endbell

http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/fefor...ehner+high+amp

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04.12.2008, 11:30 AM

The rotor of both motors is identical, from my understanding. The stator is different , only because the wires are sticking out. The high-amp doesnt have the wye/delta changing option either:

this reduces the internal resistance, since there are less solder contacts.
   
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04.12.2008, 11:56 AM

Having red a comparision (in german) between a Neu 1515 (340/360gr) and a lehner 1950 (355gr) stating there is no big difference in Power output (only different efficiency points) i think it's fair to compare a Lehner 2280 and a Neu 1527 looking at their wheight.

Wheightwise a Neu 1527 is more comparable with a lehner 2250. A Lehner 2280 wheighs 200-250gr more then a Neu 1527. It is also longer and has a bigger diameter. I think this allone should be sufficient to tell which motor can handle more power since both do claim efficiencies around 90% and both do only cook with water (or should i say copper ...).

BTW windings of the Neu motors do come from Mexico.

There is a good write up (in german though) on Neu Motors (with pictures and diagrams) with a comparision of a Neu 1515 and a Lehner 1950 on this site. By using babelfish you could translate this website.


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04.12.2008, 01:27 PM

Very interesting write up....thanks for posting it
   
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04.13.2008, 11:21 AM

Sorry for your LMT loss and hopefully U will get it back in no time.
I do like them both Neu and LMT but I will agree that in terms of balancing Lehners are on the shy side, while none of them will match quality of pletts, just from observation and testing.

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this topic was brought up on rumrunners forum , these guys have both but apparently the only difference between the two is the rear endbell

http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/fefor...ehner+high+amp
Interesting fellows on the boats forum, maybe I should mod couple ESC's for them :)
But, so far nothing then end-bell from this link.

Extra charge for proper, cheaper, simpler end-bell doesn't sounds like German.
What I've read some time ago (and cannot find it anymore, even on the LMT-site they now referring to end-bell difference only!?) that wire gauge was different as well...
   
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Interesting fellows on the boats forum, maybe I should mod couple ESC's for them :)
Griffin....mod them as in how.............................................

I agree with you said about the pletts , there quality is second to none , I have 3 brushless pletts and three brushed all ( 355's )

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Griffin....mod them as in how.............................................

I agree with you said about the pletts , there quality is second to none , I have 3 brushless pletts and three brushed all ( 355's )
With water cooling on-demand you can draw ridiculous amount of Amps with smart layout. All the same more Amps, better cooling.

-I do love brushed 355-series, two of them were placed in my neighbors barbi-jeep you can imagine what a joy it was in conjunction with optima battery :)
   
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04.13.2008, 05:50 PM

Something like this , I have a lathe and a CNC mill , I mod all my own and also swap the battery cables out to 8awg

Being a plett fan you should enjoy this 355/50/06 and mini berkley jet drive
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Something like this , I have a lathe and a CNC mill , I mod all my own and also swap the battery cables out to 8awg

Being a plett fan you should enjoy this 355/50/06 and mini berkley jet drive
Sweet!!!
   
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04.13.2008, 11:12 PM

there's is such a big size difference from the neu 1527 and the 2280 hi-amp... that's why it is hard to believe that the power outputs are similar... but I hope that the neu 1527 are just as powerful... I guess we'll see when I get it... and if I ever get the 2280 back by 2010... haaahhaah

Lehner charges more for the rotors of the hi amp motors...
those heatsinks are awesome, I saw them a while back when the OEMRC escs came out...

I really don't think the 1527 can compare to the 2280-5 Hi-Amp... just being able to pull close to 400Amps is crazy... probably will never pull that..

Soon as I get my motors, I'll do a comparison... same batteries, same esc, same vehicle... :)

Are you serious that the Neus come from Mexico?.. it worries me... but the efficiencies are great according to everyone else...


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there's is such a big size difference from the neu 1527 and the 2280 hi-amp... that's why it is hard to believe that the power outputs are similar... but I hope that the neu 1527 are just as powerful... I guess we'll see when I get it... and if I ever get the 2280 back by 2010... haaahhaah

Lehner charges more for the rotors of the hi amp motors...
those heatsinks are awesome, I saw them a while back when the OEMRC escs came out...

I really don't think the 1527 can compare to the 2280-5 Hi-Amp... just being able to pull close to 400Amps is crazy... probably will never pull that..

Soon as I get my motors, I'll do a comparison... same batteries, same esc, same vehicle... :)

Are you serious that the Neus come from Mexico?.. it worries me... but the efficiencies are great according to everyone else...
I think the Neu is as powerful mainly because it's a 4 pole motor. It will naturally make more torque and electric motors also makes power from torque. Have you ever wondered why some people love the outrunners ?
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04.14.2008, 02:28 AM

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I think the Neu is as powerful mainly because it's a 4 pole motor. It will naturally make more torque and electric motors also makes power from torque. Have you ever wondered why some people love the outrunners
Its like:
2Pole inrunner - Good petrol engine :D
4Pole+ inrunner - supercharged petrol engine :P
Outrunner- Diesel engine ;)
   
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04.14.2008, 04:03 AM

Based on the write up i posted, Neus are assembled in San Diego (Neutronics) but the windings are handwound in Mexico.


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04.14.2008, 10:19 AM

AWESOME!!.. I really can't wait untill they come in....

I just wonder why the heck it's taking so long to get the neumotors in... I know the lehner, I had to wait for almost 3 months...


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