Looking for something to power my jato/pede Novak 5.5/6.5 or 5800?

[R00ST]

I just got back from my trip to florida with the e-revo (8xl/9920/14 ib3800 cells) and it was a blast until the second to last day and it finally ate the revo diffs :( I will have pics/vids up soon though :)

I have run the novak 5800 system in my rustler/stampede for a long time now (shortly after they came out with the system). I have been pretty satisfied with it, but I am now looking into putting the jato suspension on my pede and getting a new system. Smooth drivability is pretty important for this truck, which is why im thinking I should stick with the sensored novak (that and the price).
I currently have a new in box ss5800 in my basement that I was contemplating putting in the pede or selling. Now that the new gtb 5.5/6.5 is out, can anyone compare it to the 5800? Sadly 5800 systems are not selling for much, so it looks like it would be about a 100 dollar upgrade to get a new 5.5/6.5 system. I would be running 90% on ib3800 7 cells and gp3300 7 cells (possibly some 6 cell packs on occasion). I was thinking I would go with the 5.5 for the most power, but I do enjoy longer run times. I have heard a lot of people generalizing the 6.5 for racing and 5.5 for bashing, but am wondering how big of a difference in run time they would have weighted against the power gain.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

[Papa]

Isn't the gtb only rated for 6 cells? The 5.5 is the hottest of the motors. The challenge on the track is getting that power to the ground without swapping ends. the 6.5 is a bit milder and so on...
The big bonus with the gtb is its ability to run all of Novaks brushless motors, except the HV. Additionaly if you have the need to run brushed it can do that as well. I have a rebuilt sealed in box ss5800 that I have used in my xxxtII. I liked it and was able to stick with the nitro 1/10 pretty well save my driving. I may find a buyer for it and pick up the GTB though. It'd be nice to clear that triple consistently rather than having to downside the second jump. Frankly I'd unload what you have and go for a new 1/10. Not sure of the wisdom of switching things around?

[R00ST]

I am pretty sure the gtb can handle 7 cells. I would rather have the power and dial it down than not have the power. I do want efficiency/run time though, as I may try racing it eventually and changing packs is not very time efficient.

I have been running rustlers/pedes for quite some time. I do know they take a lot more to be race worthy than other trucks, but I am very very familiar with them. I actually have the xxxt front suspension on my rustler right now (widens it, gives more travel) but I like the jato setup more because you gain a LOT moer travel and width. Since I am mostly a basher, I am thinking I will stay with my rustler/pede and do the jato suspension mod as it will be more offroad worthy than a stock t4 would be. I am not trying to take anything away from the other manufacturers, as I really like the t4, but I do like taking my trucks offroad and having the ability to have a higher ground clearance and more suspension travel is a plus.

Also what about the lrp/reedy motors and controllers? Does anyone know how those compare to the 5.5/6.5?

[Papa]

Input Voltage: 4-6 cells (1.2V/cell)
Footprint: 1.16” x 1.49” (29.5 x 37.8 mm)
Weight: 1.36 oz. (38.5 g)
Motor Limit: None (Compatible with all Novak 540-size brushless motors)
On-Resistance: 0.00040 ohms (per each phase -3); 0.00013 ohms (brushed mode)
Throttle Profiles: 5 brushless (2w/rev), 1 brushed
BEC: Heavy-duty 6V/3A

Velociti 5.5 Racing (5 1/2-turn), Velociti 6.5 Racing (6 1/2-turn), SS5800 (8 1/2-turn), and SS4300 (10 1/2-turn).

[R00ST]

well thats no good! Really sticks a wrench in the gears of my plans. I only have 7 cells packs (two of which are brand new SXS ib3800s) that I would rather not hack to make 6 cells, not to mention I dont want to run 12 cells on the revo.

[Re~Mix]

Well, some people are having good luck with the wanderer 340 / feigao 340 'c' motors in their 1/10th applications. The motors are a little small for something like an offroad if you ask me, but the lehner 4200 holds its own being small also.

The ss5800 you have can be run on 7 cells and it will be a beast still. No harm in trying it. It's no 8 turn motor, but it will hang with a 12 turn motor easy. The thing that made me switch off novak is how heavy the motors are.

[R00ST]

I have run the ss5800 on 6-7 cells for a couple of years now and was pretty satisfied with it, but like most people am always in pursuit of more power.

looks like the lrp sphere controller can handle 7 cells, and as far as I know can run the novak motors. the controlleri s 180 compared to the novak gtb which is 170 (I am familar with novak and would probably prefer the novak, but looks like the lrp is the only 7 cell sensored option).

the 5.5 motor is 75 which would put the combo at 255 (unless I can find the controller used).

what cheap controllers can be run in 1/10? I dont know a whole lot about the smaller unsensored brushless setups. What could I get in an unsensored combo for 250ish?

I see the lehner 4200 is 150 where as the bk/feigao motors are 70-80. (I assume I would run an S can motor in a 1/10? thinking an L can would be too long) The S is a 540 size motor isnt it? a 340 seems like it would be a bit small. I do like to run m2ks most of the time so need it to haul a decent weight and decently hefty tires.

Now that I look at the controllers, looks like most are in the 200 dollar area putting the total near 300. What is the cheapest controller out there to handle this application that isnt junk?

[Re~Mix]

The new mtroniks controllers are as cheap as it gets in price while still maintaing quality. Quite a few people have been having good luck with them running the feigao motors. I think they run around $150-180 depending on the model.

In the gtb, it isn't so much the controller that is the limiting factor, the motor is just too Hot, the '5.5' really can't take any more than 6 cells safely.

[Nabors]

In my opinion the Mtroniks Pro is equal to the Uforce 75. If I was in your position id go with the Mtroniks Pro and a 380c 7t it should be right between the 5.5 and 6.5 when run on 6 cells and you could run up to 12 cells or 4s lipos on the controller. You can find this setup for about the price of the novak gtb.

[nbcaznmaster]

t runtimes u getting on teh 8xL? i will ahve a 8xl revo soon, on 18 cells. Im just wondering wut type of runtiem range i woudl get. Hopeing for at least 15 minutes.

[R00ST]

Where can I get the mtroniks pro controller and the 380c 7t motor? (can mike get them?)

would the sphere and 6.5 be a better choice for smoother running?

I got 15-20+ mins on the 8xl depending on what I was doing with it. At full throttle application 75% of the time (beach) i was getting around 14-15.

[Re~Mix]

Since the Novak is sensored, it will be the smoothest running possible, but even sensored coggs when your almost out of radio range. Also, the GTB motor is a lot heavier than the 380c 7t. Mike is phasing out the Feigao stuff, but supposedly Wanderer will have the same version too? It never hurts to ask, otherwise starluckrc.com has them

[Rtsbasic]

The Mtroniks are great little units, waterproof as well as brilliant customer support. In your position I would go for one with a 380C-6L as this will have more torque/overall power than a regular 380c size. Plus it can be run on upto 8-9 cells if you wish. If Mike is unable to order these parts the shop Re-mix linked to has great prices on them.

[captain harlock]

I suggest that you go for the sphere/neo one setup for less than 300 dollars and yet you will notice great performance over the ss5800 motor. The neo one is like a hacker C40, but sensored and affordable. The neo one is actually a german made motor by LRP, they call it the vector motor in germany and neo one in the states with a reedy lable on it. Believe me, its a rocket and Mike has it.:)

[R00ST]

the neo one is available in different turns right? I thought the lowest i saw was 9 turn?

You dont think it would be better to go the sphere 6.5/5.5 route?