E-Bike System

[mistercrash]

Here's some specifications taken from their website. Once I get the scooter, I am probably going to spend some time finding exactly what the batteries are, what's written on the ESC/control module or whatever they call it and find if there's some info about the hub motor. The price is 2299.00 CDN. The extra battery was 250.00. The website says, 32 kph max but there's a plug/limiter that is easily taken out to have a max speed of 45 kph. They claim up to 90 km on one charge but this will vary a lot depending on the terrain and the weight of the rider. I'm 225 and the city I live in has hills everywhere so I'll find out soon enough how far I'll go.

Motorino XPn. Its vintage body styling and robust motorcycle chassis are both supplied by Yamaha - China; offering a solid, stable and comfortable ride. Its powerful headlight, large gauges and chrome trim create a vintage aesthetic reminiscent of the 2010 Yamaha Vino. Unlike its Yamaha counterpart its longer wheelbase and ergonomic seat can comfortably carry two riders, even up hills; and is well proportioned for taller and shorter riders.

Specifications:

Dimensions & Weight:
without battery: 68kg
with battery:90kg
Loading capacity: 120kg
Carton dimensions: 169 x 39 x 109cm

Power System:
500W 48V oversized high torque CCT brushless regenerative motor
Max torque –66 Nm
Motor consumption: 1000W/H per 100km
Motor Controller: CCT power controlled, CCT regenerative
Battery - 48V 20AH SLAVR and 48V/14AH*
Battery capacity: 1056Wh/1768Wh*
Battery protection: Low voltage cut off protection
Charger: 2.8A Battery Maintenance Charger (BMC), output DC 53V
Charging: through 48V terminal on board
Charging time: 4-7 hrs with standard
and 2-4 hrs with rapid charger*
DC/DC 48/12V 10A converter
12V/10A cigarette lighter plug*
Circuit protection: automatic breaker

Tires & Wheels:
Rim: 10” aluminum motorcycle grade
Tires: All weather 3.5” x 16” - motorcycle grade DOT approved 8 layers with ABS protective shield

Brakes:
Mechanical: front and rear hydraulic disk brakes with ABS (Anti-Lock Braking system)
Electric: front and rear regenerative
Body & Chassis

Colors: Black, Blue, Red, White
Shell: Composite ABS with two coats epoxy paint
Frame: Motorcyclegrade high tensile steel frame
Hydraulic front suspension, 2 shock absorbers per wheel
Safety: Side mirrors, front and back turn signals, tail and brake lights, horn

Security:
Built-in motorcycle remote alarm with two remote controls
Lock on under seat storage from ignition key
Handlebar locking
Standard Features

Lights: Head – high/low beam, direction lights, tail, brake - 12V bulbs
Side Mirrors
Dashboard indicators: speedometer, battery capacity indicator, turn signals indicators
Pedals: Clip type
Seat : Double seat 82cm above ground
Storage: under the seat and rear box

Accessories included:
Built in remote vibration sensitive alarm with two remote controls
Rain cape – poncho type with hood and window for head light
Rain cover for the bike
Tubeless tire repair kit

Performance:
50km to 90km* range based on flat and 75kg (165 lbs) load**
32 km/hr based on flat and 80kg load

A little reading on their CCT drive system (People who are knowledgeable about brushless motors should like reading this)
http://www.motorino.ca/cct_driving_system.php

It's got antilock braking
http://www.motorino.ca/ABS_Braking_system.php

The scooter also has a 12V outlet to plug your cell phone, a laptop or a coffee maker Or the included 12V air compressor to fix a flat tire. The tires are tubeless so they include a kit with plugs to fix the tire on the go and re-inflate with the compressor. The scooter also has a cup holder And a puncho style rain coat that covers the rider and part of the scooter.

Finally some reading on the manufacturing of the Motorino motorcycles and scooters.

MOTORINO™ is a Canadian brand (trade mark registration number TMA737780)of electric motorcycles, scooters and bicycles. All models have been partially or completely designed by Greenwit Technologies Inc. More than thirty different models of Motorino scooters and bicycles have been introduced to the North American market since 2002.

Some suppliers are content to browse Asian markets for the most suitable bikes and motors, while Greenwit has taken a proactive role-designing new electrical & mechanical parts from high quality materials to cope with lackluster performance from stock parts. In 2008, after two years of design work, Greenwit developed a new driving system for their MOTORINO electric scooters which revolutionized their performance. The new CCT power train made possible for scooters limited to 500W for Canada to have the same performance as 50CC gasoline motorcycle. This system features a specially designed controller with a micro chip estimating the gravity resistance and a motor that with a flip of a three positions switch can independently extend your range, improve your climbing ability or increase your speed when switched to an economy, high torque or high speed mode. This world beating Canadian designed MOTORINO motor and its controller are manufactured in Taiwan to the strictest quality controls. The electric power trains are then sent to an ISO 9002 certified motorcycle assembly factory where all MOTORINO electric scooters & motorcycles are assembled according the specifications of SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) for motorcycles under the supervision of Greenwit reps.

Following are some talking points regarding performance and quality

Performance
CCT controllers found on all XP and BTr models allow for independent control of speed and torque- this affords Motorino bikes their famed acceleration and climbing power without increasing the battery consumption.
Greenwit motors employ a custom cross winding pattern and oversized neodymium magnets- providing the best torque to be found in a 500W motor.
Powerful regenerative brakes increase range, while almost eliminating the need for mechanical braking.
Long range – 50-60km with a single battery and up to 90km with dual batteries.

Durability reliability and quality
Our scooters are assembled by ISO9002 certified motorcycle manufacturers. Therefore our frames are designated by the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) and made with carbon steel, used in the automotive industry. The welding work is tested under dynamic pressure.
The body is made from heavy duty motorcycle grade composite ABS material, painted with UV resistant paint and coated with an epoxy scratch resistant clear coat.
All switches, connectors, harness, light sockets, brakes, tires, lights, cables, etc. are DOT approved, and manufactured by motorcycle component factories.
When units are on the production line the work is supervised by an independent observer. Every single unit that is in production has a passport containing information for every single screw installed. When finished the scooters are tested on simulated road and all components are checked. Before packing a government officer from the National Inspection board randomly tests 20% of the production.
5. All MOTORINO™ bicycles are built with high quality components in compliance with the European standard EN 15194, which strictly monitors the quality of 36 key components on the bicycle.

Safety
All MOTORINO XP models have a very powerful and efficient CCT regenerative magnetic brake.
All MOTORINO XP models are equipped with hydraulic front and rear DOT automotive disk brakes with ABS (Anti-lock Braking System)
All XP models have 3.5" and 4.0" DOT approved motorcycle tubeless tires.
All Motorino scooters are equipped with halogen high/low beam headlights, taillights, brake lights, signal lights, horn and reflectors

Design and variety
All Motorino XP frames and bodies were initially engineered as gas motorcycles. These years of evolution made them practical, durable and aesthetic means of transportation.
We carry a variety of scooter type bikes that are suitable for two or one persons.
Support
Motorino scooters are the most popular brand of electric scooter in North America. They are sold and serviced from more than 30 dealers in Canada and USA.
We keep a substantial inventory of all body and electrical parts for all the models we sell.
Professional technical service is available on the phone for Motorino customers and dealers.
All models have detailed users manuals. Repair manuals are available for all Motorino dealers.

Reading back on the specifications and features of this scooter, this thing is very well built with top quality materials and has some innovative technology that I might not want to mess around with trying to get more speed out of it. If I could get confirmation that the system running on 48V could actually handle up to like 60V then it would just be a matter of making a more powerful battery but I doubt it would be that simple.

[mistercrash]

I got my Motorino scooter last Tuesday. It's fun to ride around town on this thing. The thing is pretty torquey and easily goes up to 45 kph. I can reach 50 kph with the wind at my back. And up to 60 kph going downhill
There's one very steep hill that the scooter struggled with so I'll just avoid that one. I can go around it using other streets.
Here's a few pics of it in the messy garage. I took a body panel off to show the system that makes it work. Not much to look at regarding the motor. There's nothing written on it except for the company that manufactures it.

[snellemin]

Great scooter man.

[mistercrash]

Thanks. I think it makes me look like a dork riding on it but I like it anyway. I do wish that the system would be good for up to 60 volts. That would get me up to 60 kph. But no worries, I'm already getting used to putter around at 45.

[Overdriven]

I used to feel the same way when I was a kid riding around on my moped sometimes. I'm 31 now though, and I want it back! To convert to brushless of course!

[mistercrash]

Well today I went out for a ride, just for fun and I guess that if I look like a dork, I don't care anymore because I ride the scooter just because it's fun. Converting an old moped to brushless would be a cool project. If there's enough room, put the lipos inside the gas tank and change the gas cap for a charging jack And put blue flames somewhere to make it go faster.

[Overdriven]

Thats the spirit! I miss riding and have considered getting a big scooter instead of an even bigger, heavier motorcycle because I don't care about speed (60mph cruise is fine) or how I look. Its about the ride for me.

[scarletboa]

i have wanted to get a kawasaki eliminator 125cc cruiser bike for running errands. it is a really low powered motorcycle, but it gets 95mpg and it would be a little cooler than a moped IMO.

[mistercrash]

New license plate.



And by the way, I never apologized to BrianG for high jacking his thread. I'm sorry Brian.

[snellemin]

Awesome plate man!

[mistercrash]

40 km on a fully charged 48 volt 20 amp sealed lead acid battery. It took 7 hours to fully recharge from completely empty. I want to ad the optional 48 volt 14 amp second battery to get more run time. 48 volts 34 amps.... I'm going to need a faster charger than the 2.8 amp one they included with the scooter.

[Overdriven]

Yea those chargers suck. When I run rc with my nephew I usually bring my Hyperion charger just so I can charge up the batteries in his razor scooter.

[mistercrash]

The dealer does sell a more powerful charge that goes to 4 amps. They call it their fast charger I'd like something that would go up to like 20 amps and charge the two batteries in less than 4 hours. The only problem is cost, the chargers I found on the web are a bit pricey and I spent enough already on this scooter.

[mistercrash]

This one looks interesting and the price is reasonable.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fast-Charger-Cha...#ht_2419wt_906

The only thing that bugs me is the charging jack on the scooter. It's a three prong thing exactly like the power cord of a computer. There must be one for positive and one for negative but what is the third one for. Opening up the rear fairings and seat of the scooter to see the battery and look at the wiring looks like a tedious job. I'll ask the dealer later this morning as I have to go see them to pick my second battery.

[JERRY2KONE]

Originally Posted by mistercrash

This one looks interesting and the price is reasonable.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fast-Charger-Cha...#ht_2419wt_906

The only thing that bugs me is the charging jack on the scooter. It's a three prong thing exactly like the power cord of a computer. There must be one for positive and one for negative but what is the third one for. Opening up the rear fairings and seat of the scooter to see the battery and look at the wiring looks like a tedious job. I'll ask the dealer later this morning as I have to go see them to pick my second battery.

How about Postitive, Negative, and Ground maybe? You can buy those connectors and make your own cord. They are pretty simple to figure out. When I made my first one I think I googled the plug configuration to make sure that I connected the leads on the right position. The center one is the ground. Fast charging lead acid batteries on a regular basis is not a good idea. Plus fast charging lead acid cells creates a lot of hydrogen gas which is explosive. You really have to be careful when charging lead acid batteries.