Novak 1/8 Conversion kits

[gixxer]

thanks for the update. I look forward to seeing that press release.

Nice

I hope they make a new HV motor, the current one needs to be re done! As well as the esc

I hope novak does have something awesome in the works!

[BL_RV0]

Originally Posted by BlackedOutREVO

Nice

I hope they make a new HV motor, the current one needs to be re done! As well as the esc

I hope novak does have something awesome in the works!

i doubt they will. theyll just sell the convs or 1/8 e-buggies and slap that hv-crap on there and call it macaroni.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by BL_RV0

i doubt they will. theyll just sell the convs or 1/8 e-buggies and slap that hv-crap on there and call it macaroni.

Why would we go through all this design phase, not to mention the high tooling costs, to slap the same "HV crap" on it?

By the way, Novak is one of few companies offering affordable HV (4s LiPo) systems---ESCs and motors----and we have had them available for several years. Reliable HV crap isn't as easy to design and build (service) as many would like to believe. (If it were, CC and Tekin and LRP would have released HV car products years ago.)

[lincpimp]

Actually I have seen a few Hv systems on 1/8 buggies. They are lighter in weight, and the lower kv (6.5?) novak system may work well with a smaller pinion. Not sure about this though.

General concensus seems to be the Novak system is not optimal for a heavy vehicle with high gearing. I am sure the intended use in the emaxx was not more than 35mph, given their gearing recomendations of around 70/14.

There is not a hv system other than the novak at the moment. We get to mix and match various products to get the job done, which is ok if you know what you are doing. The Novak system must appeal to the beginner, or a lighter vehicle owner looking to go brushless. I am sure alot of them have sold.

[Serum]

i doubt they will. theyll just sell the convs or 1/8 e-buggies and slap that hv-crap on there and call it macaroni.

Easy here; we are all friends. I would like to know a specific motivation why you post something like this.

[suicideneil]

Me too. I'll be the first to say to someone asking, that the Novak Hv systems arent ideal for heavy trucks/vehicles, but I also always say they are great for lighter vehicles (stock Emaxx, which is what they were originally designed for after-all), or for beginners who need something reliable & simple. Nothing is perfect in life, but provided one chooses their options carefully, you'd be suprised just how good the HvMaxxes actually are.

[suicideneil]

I cant speak about racing requirements, though a racing spec esc/motor & a normal 'bashing' spec esc/motor system would be the easiest way around that.

As for what I would like to see improved with the Hv systems:

*Higher voltage esc, 6s lipo/18cells if plenty
* Greater range motor KVs
* Stronger motors- larger magnet basically like the Feigaos (but better quality/efficiency)
* Better amp handling- the HvMaxx is rated at 400amps?, but it struggles with the 4.5 motor, so better Fets are in order- I think griffinRU would be the best person to comment about that really.
* Plugs on either end of the sensorwire harness- makes life easier when working on the truck.

Not a massive wish list, and fairly basic requests I reckon- so long as its more torquey, just as reliable and handles high amp draw well/better, I would be extremely happy.

[cart213]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

As for what I would like to see improved with the Hv systems:

*Higher voltage esc, 6s lipo/18cells if plenty
* Greater range motor KVs
* Stronger motors- larger magnet basically like the Feigaos (but better quality/efficiency)
* Better amp handling- the HvMaxx is rated at 400amps?, but it struggles with the 4.5 motor, so better Fets are in order- I think griffinRU would be the best person to comment about that really.
* Plugs on either end of the sensorwire harness- makes life easier when working on the truck.

Not a massive wish list, and fairly basic requests I reckon- so long as its more torquey, just as reliable and handles high amp draw well/better, I would be extremely happy.

+1

Build it and we will come!

[riceman]

Thanks for your input on the forum and for being open to our input as well. As far as prices that racers are willing to pay you can look at what we currently are paying for what little there is available to us. $250-$300 for MGM and Quarks is not uncommon. Most of us aren't willing or able to do that when you factor in another $250 for a higher end Neu/Lenher/Plett motor. The bottom end would be an $80 Feigao with a $130 Mamba Max. If there were an off-the-shelf raceable motor/esc combo for somehwere in between that range I would very seriously consider it. Currently my setup of choice is the Mamba Max/Neu combination.

[johnrobholmes]

Roar has been the worst thing for RC electric innovation in the world. It is good to see that the 1/8th scale electric classes are open minded about what it takes to further the sport.

[JThiessen]

I dont understand the continued bashing of a product as low quality just because it doesnt have the power that someone wants. As stated before, high performance parts are very high maintenance. If you have ever worked with REAL high performance stuff, you will realize that you have to constantly maintain your vehicle, and that things break when you start pushing the power range. Power in=broken stuff out. (Should have been one of Newtons laws!) A marketable, high performance motor/esc, that also has a decent amount of reliability, is a hard thing to achieve. Me, I'll live with 35 mph in exchange for several years of use.
I think this type of bashing often reflects the amount of thought the poster puts into things (not all though, I hate to generalize). I doubt if there are any more Novaks sent back in than there are MGM's, MM's, etc. How many posts have we seen about the poor customer service from these other companies.
Geez, we finally see a good thing coming, and the boo-birds cant resist the opportunity to show their stuff.

[ClodMaxx]

i'm happy to read that Novak is interested in innovation. they could just continue to push the current HV line, and people (not us in this small power hungry segment) would continue to buy it. it's great when companies like Novak ask for suggestions, and listen, to better and expand their product line.

i had a HV 6.5 in a heavier-than-stock maxx for over a year with absolutely NO problems. but i followed the instructions and didn't overgear it. sure it wasn't as fast as i would've liked, but the power and speed was better than the stock titans - just as advertised.

look at Novak's crawling segment. when the first crawler system came out, it didn't have drag brakes. guys on the crawling forums said it was a great system otherwise, lots and lots of power, but that this feature was needed. Novak answered pretty quickly with a solution (quickly, considering all that most likely went into that software revision).

i think between the new systems that Novak, Tekin and Castle are coming out with, PLUS this new conversion kit that Novak is developing... we're about to see a new frontier!

[ssspconcepts]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

I dont understand the continued bashing of a product as low quality just because it doesnt have the power that someone wants. As stated before, high performance parts are very high maintenance. If you have ever worked with REAL high performance stuff, you will realize that you have to constantly maintain your vehicle, and that things break when you start pushing the power range. Power in=broken stuff out. (Should have been one of Newtons laws!) A marketable, high performance motor/esc, that also has a decent amount of reliability, is a hard thing to achieve. Me, I'll live with 35 mph in exchange for several years of use.
I think this type of bashing often reflects the amount of thought the poster puts into things (not all though, I hate to generalize). I doubt if there are any more Novaks sent back in than there are MGM's, MM's, etc. How many posts have we seen about the poor customer service from these other companies.
Geez, we finally see a good thing coming, and the boo-birds cant resist the opportunity to show their stuff.

Couldn't agree with you more...and here is one more law to add to Mr. Newton's list: "Garbage in=garbage out"

I had a Novak HVMaxx 4.5 in my FLM Maxx (all aluminum). The truck is/was a real lead sled...however...I FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS AND GEARED CONSERVATIVELY AND NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS. In fact I did a demonstration at work on how RC vehicles could rapidly "deliver" small payloads (weighing approx 35lbs) and the HVMAXX never went into thermal shutdown---even with excessive breaking and heavy accelleration. I am not advocating for their product...I am just saying perhaps one should read the directions, which are generally included in the packaging. I am excited to see what Novak comes up with.

[BP-Revo]

I've always been a pretty big advocate of the 4.5 system. I especially liked the smooth startup and high revving design of it. High rev is what you need in racing. It was one of the few systems that would have a very linear acceleration curve from a dead stop to the top, and even keep pulling into the "over-rev."


I had the original HV4400 in an E-Maxx for a while, and it was very reliable. Power seemed pretty significant at the time (a stock chassis E-Maxx isn't exactly a stable platform).

When I got my G2R I first threw in a HV6.5. Was very powerful and fast, and more than enough for the small track I was running on (small in relative to my G2R, at least). When I picked up some 8000mah Lipo's it really brought it to life. Throttle response was very very snappy. Somotimes it was hard to believe it was 'just' a 380 rotor. I did continuous ~40 minute runs at race pace and the system didn't choke one bit. ESC ran a good 120, motor 95. The one thing I wished it has was more top speed. I knew once I hit a bigger, MT sized track that I would need more top speed.


When I got my 4.5, I was even more happy. It ran like a 6.5 with an extra 30% more top end. Pretty much just what I wanted (I could have asked for maybe, 5 more mph than I was getting, but I was content). However, the system fried on me when I was just driving around outside my house (not even race pace!).

Many others that have the HV4.5 and run Lipo have fried theirs as well. I have come to my personal conclusion that the HV ESC, which was released with the original 4400, is just not up to the task of the newer, more powerful HV4.5.

So, it is my suggestion, and biggest hopes, that you guys will "beef up" the HV ESC design if you decide to keep the HV4.5 as a system, because when used with Lipo its simply too much.

Second, I also greatly hope you guys increase the rotor size. A high revving 380 sized rotor may be plenty (and sometimes too much) for racing most 1/10's, but in 1/8th its just not enough. If not a full sized 540 rotor, maybe at least go to a 480 or something near 540. However, I would still like to see you guys keep the high-revving characteristics that most of your motor systems have.