Nitro sucks!!!!!!

[Rivermaxx]

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

I have a feeling you will find quite a few people on here who dislike nitro, as this is a mainly brushless electric forum...

Kinda like the guys on the traxxas forum bashing hpi stuff...

And a 500 dollar nitro engine will still not keep up with the $300 castle 2200 system on 6s lipo. It may run better and last longer than a cheaper big block but it will still only make so much power and rev so high. Nitro motors cannot compete with elctric in power or torque production, or rpm...

And before someone metions the battery cost... A decent 6s lipo can be had for around 250 bucks, and should get about 200 cycles if treated properly. So that equates to about 67 hours of use (asuming 20 min runtime, which is very a very low estimate for a 6s setup).

Now nitro costs 30-35 bucks a gallon, so 250 bucks will get you about 8 gallons. That is around 30,000cc so about 200 tanks of fuel (150cc tank). Now most big blocks can go thru a tank of fuel faster than 20mins... So the lipo is cheaper than the nitro fuel over the lifetime of the setup. Not sure if a nitro engine can do 8 hrs without rebuild, so you might want to factor in some parts.

In any case I think you will enjoy electric almost as much as you enjoy arguing....

[Ryu James]

Rivermaxx,

here is just a couple of videos to whet your appetite (you ever seen a nitro throw a 10lb muggy in the air like that from sheer torque? i doubt it!). and if i could get my DVD camcorder mini dvd's to download i could show you more. my bare bones setup not even geared for speed that does 55-60mph. if i threw in some gearing like a 22/45 like i am sure your friend did who has the 66mph revo my truggy would be doing like 100mph. (i run 13/46 and 15/48 by the way.) go look at the RC calculator and do the math. and plus, i started this thread simply saying that Nitro cars are dirty as hell and that i love brushless. i can't help it if everyone who has passion for the brushless wants to express their opinion. its a forum, what do you expect??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85v85Pn3DMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7GdkNpKAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-6d...next=1&index=3

ps. i only posted the boat racing link cuz boat racing seems to be at the forefront of speed technology in the RC indsustry....and they dont run nitro.

I GUARANTEE when you convert your first kit you will never look back. then no one will need to "back it up" or "walk the walk". you will have convinced yourself. that is the only one who can convince you anyway. no matter how much i tell you about my 60mph truggies (3 of them) or my 70 mph Schumacher you wont believe it until you build/drive one yourself. we are already walking the walk. we do what we love!! what more is there???

OH, AND LEST WE FORGET, THIS IS ALL JUST FRIENDLY BANTER. NOT ACTUAL HEATED DEBATE. AT LEAST IT IS FOR ME. I DONT THINK ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY "HATES" NITRO. WE JUST HAVE A MUCH DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Ryu James

ps. i only posted the boat racing link cuz boat racing seems to be at the forefront of speed technology in the RC indsustry....and they dont run nitro.

I GUARANTEE when you convert your first kit you will never look back. then no one will need to "back it up" or "walk the walk". you will have convinced yourself. that is the only one who can convince you anyway. no matter how much i tell you about my 60mph truggies (3 of them) or my 70 mph Schumacher you wont believe it until you build/drive one yourself. we are already walking the walk. we do what we love!! what more is there???

OH, AND LEST WE FORGET, THIS IS ALL JUST FRIENDLY BANTER. NOT ACTUAL HEATED DEBATE. AT LEAST IT IS FOR ME. I DONT THINK ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY "HATES" NITRO. WE JUST HAVE A MUCH DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE.

No worries Ryu James. I think if anyone should take my opinions personally then they should just sit down with a good beer or drink and relax a bit.

I can see the need for some hard evidence behind certain statements but as far as "back it up" or "walk the walk"... I "put my money where my mouth is" and thats all things electric

Anyway, debates are usually a good thing (heated or otherwise) as they can lead to a better understanding and additional insight to points of view you may not have been privey to before. Just don't get carried away with personal attacks when someone doesn't agree with you. We all know the "Golden Rule" which you won't find in the ROAR rule book

Though I really do dislike Nitro with a vengence but then again I cant stand cigaret smoke either
Its not the smoker I don't like its the damn smoke...

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Rivermaxx

Why should I "put up" I never said one bad thing about any brushless setups . In fact I believe I praised nic case for his acheivments. Maybe you guys who have had bad experiences with nitro are buying crap nitro engines. A cheap<$200 chinese 427 or a lrp.28 dont have nothing as far as power and reliabilty compared to a good $300- $500 OS, RB or Novarossi engine. It like comparing hyundai's to a ferrari. Lito you are probably right I probably will love the brushless setup I get. I just want to see the guys bashing nitro show their stuff.

The amt spent could be said for anything in any hobby, but the point is why spend $500 on a nitro motor when you can get more for less w/ BL? In fact why would you put a $500 motor (don't forget the $70+ pipe) in a stock Savage?
You can get a castle setup for cheap and it takes all the work out of picking setups out. Get some inexpensive good lipos, like Mike's, Neus or Zippies and you are ready to rock for less than that, and it will run for years.

Check out my simple Crt.5 video. 60mph easy, yet easy to tune down for the track or backyard driving. The setup is a bit diff now, but just as fast. A <$80 sidewinder esc, a $100 medusa motor, and a $35 lipo. I'm getting two years + of great use out of my lipos. I dare you to find a nitro that can do that and for that price.

I'm really not into crazy speed runs, but all my setups are more than fast enough. Plenty of vids if you care to browse. My first BL revo did wheelies to 50 mph and was a cheap chinese $50 feigao XL and a $120 MM. I still have the $110 trueRc lipo, motor and esc (in crt.5 sometimes :) ) nearly 3 years later.