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[Sower]

One more think limpnic . . . if you want to make a statement like that you better back it up with something factual. You want a freakin' debate on this, then bring it.

Why not start throwing racial slurs around too while you're at it? How about mentally handicapped people? Anything against them? Go for it - what's stopping you?

Alright, I better get out of here before I say any more. I already know I've said too much.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Sower

One more think limpnic . . . if you want to make a statement like that you better back it up with something factual. You want a freakin' debate on this, then bring it.

Why not start throwing racial slurs around too while you're at it? How about mentally handicapped people? Anything against them? Go for it - what's stopping you?

Alright, I better get out of here before I say any more. I already know I've said too much.

I'm not going to justify what linc said, he'll have to speak for himself on that, but if you'd like factual evidence of wrong doings of the Chatholic Church, just let me know and I can send you a whole laundry list.
Burning People at the stake for being a herotic is just one of many many many examples.
I don't think there is a perfect Church out there. How can there be, they are run by people and people are not perfect (even though some of us think we are).
Linc's anaology was an exageration but the difference between America and other countries is we still have the freedom of speach.

[Sower]

Originally Posted by starscream

I'm not going to justify what linc said, he'll have to speak for himself on that, but if you'd like factual evidence of wrong doings of the Chatholic Church, just let me know and I can send you a whole laundry list.
Burning People at the stake for being a herotic is just one of many many many examples.
I don't think there is a perfect Church out there. How can there be, they are run by people and people are not perfect (even though some of us think we are).
Linc's anaology was an exageration but the difference between America and other countries is we still have the freedom of speach.

First off, you're right. The Catholic Church - or better stated, the people in the Catholic Church . . . have committed many attorcities. I'm not here to discuss that, and in all reality I shouldn't have asked for any examples. I'm well aware of them and feel no need to discuss them.

Beyond that though, his statement was about the 21st century - nothing else. If not for JP II working with Reagan to oppose communism, this world could be much different today.

My biggest problem with his statement was that it was blatantly inflamatory, egotistic, and flat out bashed my religion. I really don't care if he feels that way - that's his business. But this forum has usually been more respectful of other people's religious choices. I'm actually surprised nobody else said anything.

I did find it interesting though that on one hand the Pope is being called Hitler, and at the same time the person making that charge is talking about controlling the population and spewing hate about a religion. Kind of ironic really.

[Sower]

Oh, one more thing . . . yes, we have freedom of speech, but we should practice restraint and respect for other people too. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean you should say it.

I'm free to walk down the street and call obese people fat or whatever I want - probably not a good idea though if I have any respect for them.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Sower

Oh, one more thing . . . yes, we have freedom of speech, but we should practice restraint and respect for other people too. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean you should say it.

I'm free to walk down the street and call obese people fat or whatever I want - probably not a good idea though if I have any respect for them.

I see your point and as I said before, the remark was not exactly politically correct but your analogy is misguided. Noone will disagree that unwarranted disrespectful remarks about a person are unfair, but expressing your feelings about a person due to their actions or concequences from their influence, are for the better part, fair game. If you disagree with someone's point of view thats fine but I'd suggest taking it with a grain of salt. Kind of like a tequila shot... Unless your not 21 yet, as I'm not advocating drinking for minors

[Sower]

Originally Posted by starscream

I see your point and as I said before, the remark was not exactly politically correct but your analogy is misguided. Noone will disagree that unwarranted disrespectful remarks about a person are unfair, but expressing your feelings about a person due to their actions or concequences from their influence, are for the better part, fair game. If you disagree with someone's point of view thats fine but I'd suggest taking it with a grain of salt. Kind of like a tequila shot... Unless your not 21 yet, as I'm not advocating drinking for minors

Look, I don't want to get into a huge debate about my example - it was just to point out that yes, we're "free" to say whatever we want but that doesn't mean we should. That's all.

Bottom line is that the comment was similar to an inflamatory personal attack. I mean, give me a break, what's more sensitive than insulting someone's religion?

But if you want to stick to the "actions or consequences from a person's influence", then I would really like to know what the Pope has done in the 21st century that would allow an intelligent person to compare him to Hitler.

[starscream]

Originally Posted by Sower

Look, I don't want to get into a huge debate about my example - it was just to point out that yes, we're "free" to say whatever we want but that doesn't mean we should. That's all.

Bottom line is that the comment was similar to an inflamatory personal attack. I mean, give me a break, what's more sensitive than insulting someone's religion?

But if you want to stick to the "actions or consequences from a person's influence", then I would really like to know what the Pope has done in the 21st century that would allow an intelligent person to compare him to Hitler.

Well, to be fair, the Hitler comparison has nothing to do with "insulting someone's religion" as the Pope is not a religion. The Pope is the head of the Catholic church which is a christion religion but the Catholic church is not the authority on the Christian religion, however much they want to be.
Being the leader of a church makes you the focal point for whatever greivances others may have with the church.
I also don't feel the need for a huge debate about this but I also don't think we need to revert back to burining people at the stake because they have been designated a herotic. This is exactly what causes these kinds of remarks in the first place.