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PBO · 04.02.2010, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp

I will never understand the issues with guns. You would not try to frame a house up with a 10oz hammer, you would use a nailgun, faster, easier and more effective. Same thing, why protect your family and possesions with a stick when you could use a gun?

Classic analogy linc and a compelling argument. Hard to argue that logic!!

I guess I'm glad I live where I do but if I lived in the US...from the way you guys live it, I'd probably have an Action Express or something equally canon like. When in Rome...after all!

pinkpanda3310 · 04.02.2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp

Same scenario with you having a gun, bang, and he is dead.

Lets see them prove in court that he was not capable of attacking and killing you. .

I remember a case that was in the news several years ago (maybe 10?) here in Oz of a fella who shot an intruder but did not kill him.

The intruder pleaded "trying to survive with my 2 children" like the welfare wasn't enough.

The home and gun owner went to jail.

I guess that backs up your point as well as how stupid the legal system is.

TexasSP · 04.02.2010, 09:45 AM

Well, let's look at the genocide in Rwanda. Now think in terms if the other side had guns. Things would be a little different.

Jerry, it's not really that extreme, they are examples, and things like that can and do happen every day.

Here's a true story about elderly intimidation.

My grandfather at 90 lived alone. He was in good enough health to care for himself and what not with minimal assistance. He was slow though, had a bad leg with a drop foot, and not strong enough to fend anyone much younger and healthier than him off. So one afternoon a man comes to his door, asking for money. (this is a nice neighborhood in a small town north of Houston) My grandfather never opened the door but kept asking the man to leave. The man wouldn't leave and started becoming belligerent. Well low and behold my grandfather grabbed his .357 he kept by his chair and pointed it through the window in the door at the man and instructed him to leave. I imagine you could have seen smoke trails when the guy left. Had the cops been called, it would have taken at least 5-10 minutes. What could this unknown man done in the amount of time?

Then there is the efficiency of the it all. If someone is threatening my family I don't want to chance me taking a baseball bat against them and them still getting the upper hand. What if they are quicker than me? What if they are so high they don't feel pain?

My business partner just the other day had a guy get out of his car and threaten him because he accidentally cut him off. My partner then pointed his laser site at the guys eyeball and the guy rethought the situation, became much more polite and got back in his car. I was actually on the phone with him when this happened and he dropped the phone in the seat and I could still hear the exchange.

As far as children go, I grew up in a family with guns, hunting rifles to pistols. I knew where they were but was taught about them and never touched them. All of my friends families had guns and so on. Never was there a single incident. In fact I think most of those incidents are few and far between as I can't even remember the last time I read or heard of one.

squeeforever · 04.02.2010, 12:51 PM

I'd really have to agree with most of you on this one. I wouldn't feel guilty in the least bit if I had to kill someone who was trying to hurt me or my family. The thing is though, if someone opens your door to your car or home, SHOOT TO KILL. Otherwise, you may end up like some, behind bars for simply defending you and your family. And yes, if someone simply OPENS the door of your car, you have the right to shoot/kill them because your car is a extension of you and your property. I've spoke with several cops about this and they all say, if you are in that situation, shoot, but shoot to kill so they can't come back with some sob story and your the one in prison. My home defense is a .44 Magnum Desert Eagle and a Cobray Mac11.
Heres a picture of a Mac11 IDENTICAL to mine.

Bondonutz · 09:28 PM

My friend (who is a retired Snap-on dealer)had a truck in N.Y. a bunch of years back. He had a black "gentleman" standing on the steps of his truck and theatened to kill him if he did give him money. Mark shot the dirty bastard in the leg w/a .380, cops hauled him(the perp) off to jail sentenced him and he served prison time. Travel ahead 8yrs, Mark had to go to N.Y. and defend himself against a lawsuit the thief filed. His lawyer said, to bad he didn't kill him. Could of avoided all this nonsense and wasted money.

zeropointbug · 08:27 PM

Wow this thread has changed subjects. Not a bad thing... but interesting non the less to finally here some you guys speak your mind on typically sensitive topics.

My opinion on the self-defense issue... I believe most of the time you can get out of a situation just by saying the right thing (personal confrontation) usually, keeping a cool head is very important; but generally on the whole forced home entry, or if a person is threatening you, or is acting ornery towards you.. I can't really say, every situation is different and there are many factors to consider that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying 'react in exactly this way' (shoot to kill)... like it depends on so many things. BUT, if I know for CERTAIN that my life, or the life of a family member/friend is on the line, I wouldn't think twice before pulling the trigger, or using brute force to take them down for good.

Also, I completely agree with home gun ownership, personally own around a dozen firearms.

I don't know about most of you, but for me: If I were in front of a hand full of bureaucrats high up in the food chain I would literally feel self preservation for myself and my children (don't have any yet, but you get the point), and my children's children, if I were to 'shoot to kill'. Call me extreme, but that is the way I feel, they are the root cause of all the problems we face, so why not take it out at the source?

SunnyHouTX · 04.02.2010, 09:21 PM

That's what the vote is for ZPB

Too bad the vote doesn't work on burglars. Thats where deadly force plays its part. When one of them breaks into your home, I bet you know what's going to happen. You don't sit and think: "Gee, I wonder what this gentleman/lady could want at this ungodly hour?"

No, you know what exactly he/she wants: to take your possessions or worse, God forbid. In situations like that, it is not prudent to second-guess their intentions to the detriment of your family, health or life. Click, click, BOOM

04.02.2010, 10:56 PM

God, Guts and Guns.

I don't want to live in anything resembling Europe! We had to fight and win two wars for Europe already because of their spineless liberal socialist governments.

America is the Greatest Nation on the face of God's green Earth for a reason!