Any of you upset over your healthcare law?

[redshift]

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by redshift

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

Must be because countries like Canada, half of the news is from the USA issues alone, so I guess we Canadians think the US is the bigger brother of us (albeit the brother that doesn't acknowledge us). We talk about the US just as much as Canadian politics up here, probably 50-50, after all, what affects you will affect us.

I probably know more about American history than Canadian history. Off the forum I am just a vocal about our own issues with our government (believe me, they are almost as bad)... I have beef with government in general, and on this forum, majority of you are Americans; if it were based in another country I could do the same to that government... they are simply all criminals (most), and all the countries that are striving for evolving human rights and freedoms like Iran, Venezuela, and others, are in the cross hairs of the NWO, are demonized, and outright lies are pinned on them using the mass media.

I don't know, what else do you want me to say?

Bondo, did I say something inappropriate?

[PBO]

Originally Posted by redshift

I have to know out of curiosity, ZP, PBO and anyone else not from the US, why the interest?

I consider myself among the more enquiring Americans, but I can assure you that 99.44% of us could give a vermin's derriere about what goes on outside our borders. Yes we are that ignorant.

So what is it that makes you guys not only care, but seem to take a passionate stance on things like this? I can't seem to wrap my American mind around that, I'll admit...

Thoughts?

It's hard to answer in a few words, funny you should put it that way though. I know you're speaking only for yourself but the 'ignorant American' is a widespread belief the world has when watching the US...not saying it's right or wrong mind you

I think it's fair to say that every country wants to get these basic issues right. Most don't! Healthcare in Australia is very good on a world standard but ask anyone who lives here & it sucks...when you dig deeper on an individual basis, it usually sucks because it's not perfect by their measure. They can tell you all about how this did or didn't happen to them, how the system could be improved to work better for them or their family. Most people do lack the high view on what the issues are, so the personal discontent gains a big, widespread & ineffective voice...I digress

My family have suffered & benefited equally under a poor health system, so by the law of averages I should be content but I'm not. I have expensive health insurance for my family that is largely a joke, the combined revenue from this was supposed to supplement the 'free' service but in my experience it puts you in front of expensive doctors, specialists, surgeons & services that you pay for. Sure you can claim back against your policies but there's always a shortfall. The issue that really smarts though is the same doctors, specialists, surgeons & services are all free if you're prepared to wait in the free system...as a result only the wealthy & very needy process their health needs through the insurance stream...the system is a con

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by PBO

Healthcare in Australia is very good on a world standard but ask anyone who lives here & it sucks...when you dig deeper on an individual basis, it usually sucks because it's not perfect by their measure. They can tell you all about how this did or didn't happen to them, how the system could be improved to work better for them or their family. Most people do lack the high view on what the issues are, so the personal discontent gains a big, widespread & ineffective voice...I digress

This is probably the most level headed view on any "system" that I've seen posted here. It probably describes any modern "western" civilization to a tee. Our issues over here are just more highly publicized because of our supposed leadership in the western world.

The elected boys aren't in a conspiracy to drag us all down, they are just responding to their constituents - which is typically highlighted by the biggest contributors to thier campaign fund. Sometimes what they pass has been good for me, but typically, and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.

I liked the idea of us all quitting our jobs. Kinda brings a smile to my face to imagine the outcome of that. But reality is that there is never solidarity, 'cause people are more interested in protecting themselves as opposed to the overall good.


Finnster - thanks for that last post. Well stated.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.



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Would you like my mailing address, I will gladly take that unwanted income off your hands!

[PBO]

Originally Posted by JThiessen

This is probably the most level headed view on any "system" that I've seen posted here. It probably describes any modern "western" civilization to a tee. Our issues over here are just more highly publicized because of our supposed leadership in the western world.

The elected boys aren't in a conspiracy to drag us all down, they are just responding to their constituents - which is typically highlighted by the biggest contributors to thier campaign fund. Sometimes what they pass has been good for me, but typically, and the more I make, the more I'm on the side of giving my income to those that either cant or wont work.

I liked the idea of us all quitting our jobs. Kinda brings a smile to my face to imagine the outcome of that. But reality is that there is never solidarity, 'cause people are more interested in protecting themselves as opposed to the overall good.


Finnster - thanks for that last post. Well stated.

Thanks JThiessen, it may be because I've seen more of health services (through friends & family needs) than a lot of people?

Personally, I'd prefer the money I pay in HC insurance were tipped directly into the government run free system so that everyone received the benefit. Australia needs more hospital beds, nurses, doctors etc...happy to contribute to that

Mind you, I'd also pay the emergency services more. They're underpaid in my view & for the most part do an excellent job...making the job more financially attractive would typically widen the candidate pool giving a better net result for the end user

[zeropointbug]

In the end, the Obamacare Bill will be a financial disaster... just look at those numbers, in the weeks ahead, people will learn more and more about it, and find out that it will in fact cost alot more than even they are saying ($1 Trillion for the next 10 years). Plus all the time and money that is going to be spent on the States filing suit against it.... what a meltdown.


If you look at the big picture, we wouldn't need much of a healthcare system if we had a better 'Healthcare LIFESTYLE', meaning most of the patients are in the hospital because of the healthcare itself, the failing society, as in the food you eat, the toxins in the food and environment, pharmaceuticals, and the generally unhappy and fearful population (mind controls body). What I am saying it's an ineffective band-aid for a system that is the problem itself... military-industrial-complex anyone?

Good-Bye: Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=18339

[redshift]

Well good luck getting him to edit it since you quoted it

[redshift]

Alright thanks for the frank replies!

The most accurate slogan for the new health care system might be "We're so concerned with your health, we're willing to kill you over it"

It appears as if in the last howevermany years, many other countries have adopted American business tactics. To some degree you have all been Americanized. I realize that may sound like an insult, I don't mean it that way. ZP btw I am old enough to remember when we actually referred to Canada as our "friendly neighbor to the north".

Crossing the border was as simple as making your 'declarations' by answering just a few questions going through customs. Lots of fake terror later, we now just about have to give a blood sample to even be considered. That's as much our fault as Canada's, but likely more ours.

PBO I'll come out and say it, I'm surrounded by drones. These are not people like the rest of the world has come to define them. It's hard for me to fathom the way "most" Americans live their lives. With their shallow, robotic American Idol, bluetooth stuck to their ears 24-7 chat about nothing, pathetic cardboard and plastic daydreaming lives they have become the ultimate reflection of marketing gone berserk.

Someone asked why there was a little black kid next to Obama while he signed the bill. I think it's pretty obvious that was a nice little window-dressing photo op designed to tug at someone's (not mine) emotions. They know logic would never work in sales, because logic makes sense. Instead they have perverted the course of people's own will. I imagine many Americans fancy themselves as a model on a billboard, they are merely a product to be shaped and packaged in any way the marketers see fit. They are even proud of it, it defies me.

[zeropointbug]

I completely agree with every word you said Red. Logic is not present in today's society, it really is like you say, about emotions, grab them emotionally, then you need not use logic... simply how the human brain works.

Here is a link to the transcript to the States law suit.

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/static/...arelawsuit.pdf

And here is the 2,400 page Marxistcare reform bill.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3590pp.txt.pdf

[zeropointbug]

I find something about everyone's opinion on this thread, state of things, and the government odd. Everyone that has posted has blasted the whole thing, and your government, but then, not to offend anyone, most of you don't do much research into what is really going on, as far as behind the scenes, and as a global picture (very important). Then, when I bring anything up that actually pins an act or event or true motives on big brother (ex. 9/11...) most people ignore it and claim:

"why would our government do that to it's own people".

Am i the only one who sees the irony in this?

[redshift]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

I find something about everyone's opinion on this thread, state of things, and the government odd. Everyone that has posted has blasted the whole thing, and your government, but then, not to offend anyone, most of you don't do much research into what is really going on, as far as behind the scenes, and as a global picture (very important). Then, when I bring anything up that actually pins an act or event or true motives on big brother (ex. 9/11...) most people ignore it and claim:

"why would our government do that to it's own people".

Am i the only one who sees the irony in this?

Nope. But people will connect the dots in their own time.

There was a day Americans spoke highly of the nation, and of each other. There was little reason to speak badly of government (and doing so would get you some mean looks) and for the most part we took pride in our work and our land. That's what the history books tell me anyway, because all of this happened well before I was born. And I hate feeling reminiscent of what I never experienced.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by redshift

Nope. But people will connect the dots in their own time.

There was a day Americans spoke highly of the nation, and of each other. There was little reason to speak badly of government (and doing so would get you some mean looks) and for the most part we took pride in our work and our land. That's what the history books tell me anyway, because all of this happened well before I was born. And I hate feeling reminiscent of what I never experienced.

Wow, that choked me up. In the time and place I grew up in there was a sense of pride in ones work and country but I don't see much of that anymore.

[georgec]

The rest of the world should care what happens here in the USA, because if we fail it will be like the first big domino hitting the table and we all know how that works.

[hyper9e]

I remember some show about two years ago where some guy went around the world looking at other country's health care policy and taking notes on the good and bad. I think the US should try to do something like that. Actually I think Indonesia did that for there health care system and they said it was working good. I'm not taking sides just saying since we were one of the last to reform we should learn from other country's mistakes.