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My cousin in Utah is married to a Bolivian, who is a citizen and is earning a law degree, and if they visit AZ, and if he decides he's going to take a walk in the park or go for a hike with his girls and he doesn't bring his wallet, my cousin shouldn't be getting a phone call from an INS detention facility that her family got arrested bc Dad still speaks with an accent and his english is still a bit rough. That's just F'd up and I don't care who you are.
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You say you don't fall into ideological BS yet this statement is just that. Go read the law first then comment. It's only ten pages long. It specifically addresses racial profiling and also specifically addresses that a law enforcement officer cannot simply stop someone for suspicion of being illegal. What it does do is allow them to check the immigration status of people they have stopped for other law violations. The law also specifically states that the officers most uphold and follow ALL federal laws and guidelines regarding immigration policy.
Again read the law and stop quoting Napolitano/Holder/Pelosi/Calderon/Obama and the rest of the people quoting garbage that has no resemblance to the truth.
So don't claim to not be an ideologue when clearly your views and points all clearly reflections of liberal/socialist philosophy.
I cannot also understand the talk about ID cards and SS numbers to get these people legal when in fact they are breaking the law by their own wheel in the first place. What makes you think just because congress enacts something like that all of the illegals would jump in line, start paying their taxes!
Stop the handouts and enforce the laws we have now.
Last point specifically to Lutach:
If an American citizen wants to work these so called crappy jobs it's their right. What makes you so superior to say the American citizen shouldn't but the illegal immigrant can? There are many people no matter how much school that won't have the mental capacity to do much above ditch digging and other manual remedial labor. In turn I have had people like this who work for me and they have some of the best work ethics I have ever seen hands down. I paid them well and treated just like any other employee I had working for me.
Several of my closest friends are immigrants, however they came here legally and went through the correct process to obtain legalized status be it visa, green card, or full citizenship. Why should others get to bypass the processes simply because they want to?
One of mine and my wife's closest friends is from Mexico city, she immigrated legally as a teenager with her parents and now has two children who were born here. She has been trying to gain citizenship for over ten years and has to fight to keep her status. She also works, pays taxes, and is a productive person. Tell me why an illegal should just be handed the rights and privileges she has worked so hard for?
What many cannot seem to get through their heads is that most of these people do not want to pay taxes. They want the handouts and freebies that come with crossing the border illegally. Like BrianG said, cut this out and most of them will leave because the incentive to come will be gone. The good ones will work on immigrating legally like it should be.
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05.20.2010, 01:57 PM
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Last point specifically to Lutach:
If an American citizen wants to work these so called crappy jobs it's their right. What makes you so superior to say the American citizen shouldn't but the illegal immigrant can? There are many people no matter how much school that won't have the mental capacity to do much above ditch digging and other manual remedial labor. In turn I have had people like this who work for me and they have some of the best work ethics I have ever seen hands down. I paid them well and treated just like any other employee I had working for me.
Several of my closest friends are immigrants, however they came here legally and went through the correct process to obtain legalized status be it visa, green card, or full citizenship. Why should others get to bypass the processes simply because they want to?
One of mine and my wife's closest friends is from Mexico city, she immigrated legally as a teenager with her parents and now has two children who were born here. She has been trying to gain citizenship for over ten years and has to fight to keep her status. She also works, pays taxes, and is a productive person. Tell me why an illegal should just be handed the rights and privileges she has worked so hard for?
What many cannot seem to get through their heads is that most of these people do not want to pay taxes. They want the handouts and freebies that come with crossing the border illegally. Like BrianG said, cut this out and most of them will leave because the incentive to come will be gone. The good ones will work on immigrating legally like it should be.
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You failed to see my point. A business owner is always trying to save money. A lot of people I know that have been fired, laid off or what ever other way of saying it are on unemployment just for the fact they won't work in a job that pays less. Maybe they are too proud or just embarrassed. I'm a business owner and in my line of business one needs to know multiple languages, so it kind of favors an immigrant, but I would never get an illegal immigrant to work for me like the big construction companies are doing. I know many illegal Brasilian immigrants that do pay taxes due to the fact they have a Tax I.D. Number. I myself am a legal resident. I've been here since I was 10 and have yet to decide if I should become a US citizen. I do carry all my I.D.s with me at all times. I'm not trying to protect the illegal immigrant here, but they are not the source of the problem. The one who employees them is and the economy now is not caused by illegal immigrants. I also know a lot of people who came here legally, but when they tried to get their green cards, they were denied, so now they are the so called illegal, but have Tax I.D. Numbers and works legally due to it and pay their taxes like anybody else. This will affect them and it doesn't seem right. I also don't see the illegal immigrants near my area going to the super market using food stamps, I do see whites and blacks doing it (Sorry again for bringing skin color to the chat). One example was a lady who had 4 kids with her. She had a shopping cart full and so did the oldest kid. She used her food stamp credit card to pay for everything and more. The more is she asked the cashier for $175 back. I bet she the the others I see are also on other Gov. plans as well. Do you think she's the only one doing that? Is it fair for everyone else?
Illegal Immigrants don't put a dent in the employment situation mainly because the jobs they do you wouldn't do and the economy because they didn't cause the mess the world is in today. They do support business' as they have to buy food, clothe and other things they need. Ask the US to send them all back and we will see the affect of it and it's not going to be pretty.
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05.20.2010, 03:30 PM
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Illegal Immigrants don't put a dent in the employment situation mainly because the jobs they do you wouldn't do and the economy because they didn't cause the mess the world is in today. They do support business' as they have to buy food, clothe and other things they need. Ask the US to send them all back and we will see the affect of it and it's not going to be pretty.
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You contradict yourself here though. On one hand you say the illegal immigrants have little effect but on the other you say they do.
What are these jobs that not single natural born US citizen won't do exactly?
As for being bilingual why does the immigrant have the advantage? I know plenty of bilingual natural born citizens. What about an immigrant from another English speaking country? What advantage do they have? It seems to me you favor immigrants because you are an immigrant.
It really seems as though you want to paint in broad strokes natural born US citizens as being stupid, lazy, and wanting to much money for a job while praising all immigrants as being smart, hard working, and willing to work for much less.
Like BrianG said laziness and stupidity knows no racial background or country of origin. There are plenty of these all over the world.
As far as the welfare and handouts go I want it stopped for everyone. No just illegal immigrants and not just Hispanic people. Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and so on all need to have the cord cut.
Finally you must understand that the problem with illegal immigration is not just the employment as that is only one small factor. It is the criminal activity, the hand outs, and the other problems it brings with it. Go take a look at pictures from border crossings on the Arizona border, Texas too. The shear amount of trash left behind is enough to make your stomach turn. Then you have the people who live in these areas who are constantly being robbed, the property being trashed and vandalized, dead bodies being found. This is real and one of the most important issues regarding illegal immigration.
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You contradict yourself here though. On one hand you say the illegal immigrants have little effect but on the other you say they do.
What are these jobs that not single natural born US citizen won't do exactly?
As for being bilingual why does the immigrant have the advantage? I know plenty of bilingual natural born citizens. What about an immigrant from another English speaking country? What advantage do they have? It seems to me you favor immigrants because you are an immigrant.
It really seems as though you want to paint in broad strokes natural born US citizens as being stupid, lazy, and wanting to much money for a job while praising all immigrants as being smart, hard working, and willing to work for much less.
Like BrianG said laziness and stupidity knows no racial background or country of origin. There are plenty of these all over the world.
As far as the welfare and handouts go I want it stopped for everyone. No just illegal immigrants and not just Hispanic people. Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and so on all need to have the cord cut.
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You have to look beyond just what is happening in the USA to know what I mean. The issue will go deeper then what is seen in the news. Countries will get involved and when those countries supplying the US with many of the things US people needs, then you'll see exactly my point.
Would you cut someone's grass, trim their trees, clean the pool, clean their homes, wash the dishes, pick fruits and vegetables that machines can't do, collect garbage and so forth?
As a business owner I need to make as much profit as I can to keep my business going as well as pay my bill and buy things my family needs. So why would I hire someone asking for $45K then someone willing to do the same job for $25K? Like I said, look at the source of the problem and that is the one who employees the illegal. Yes, I do favor someone who is from another country, because of accent propose only. I have twin little brothers born here and their Portuguese is awful. You also failed to see where I wrote, that I wouldn't give an illegal immigrant employment. So you're missing a few points I'm trying to get across. Yes, I'm proud to be a Brasilian, US legal immigrant who pays a shit load in taxes and raises a beautiful daughter (US citizen) as a single parent.
That one is your opinion because that's not how I see it. You said that not me. I used to be a stock broker and the guys I worked with and for are some of the brightest guys I know. I learned how to sell because of them. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that people think it's only the illegal immigrant's fault, but they failed to see who gives them jobs.
The last 2, I agree with you 100%.
I do not favor anyone and I would love to see everyone work legally. Now as far a taxes goes, what are our tax money used for? It would be good if they give the Illegal the Tax I.D. Number I mentioned a few times, so they can pay taxes as well and if they don't they should get punished for their actions. More taxes for the USA more money to do what ever.
So I'll say this one more time. Want illegal immigrants to stop coming here, ask the money hungry corporate bastards to stop giving them jobs. It's that simple. With no money, they'll have to go back to their country or go to another country.
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don't worry jerry, your not going to offend me w/ opinions. Essentially i approach this problem as a pragmatist and am skeptical of the idological bs that seems to frame political issues these days.
I do absolutely agree that there is a problem w/ uncontrolled immigration and lack of coherent federal policy, and states like az bear the brunt of it. I grew up in co, so we had our fair share of illegals too. I also strongly agree there should be a low tolerance to criminality for any guests in this country. There are far too many hardworking and motivated people who would love to come here to tolerate anyone's bull$hit.
However, not only do i think this law will do much to stop ii, i do fundamentally disagree with the notion that we should be making laws that everyone needs to carry gov't papers with them at all times, and that is a crime to not seem american enough if you get caught w/o your papers. Yeah i'm white, so even tho az promises there will be no racial profiling, everyone is going along w/ it with the implicit guarantee that the leos are only going to be after brown people. The az gov basically admits it by omission.
now see that is whats confusing. We are already required to carry id. Every adult is ither suposed to have a drivers license, or a state id if you do not drive. Even kids are supposed to be carrying a school id of some kind. You have to hold proper id to drink alcohol, purchase smokes, or enter any adult establihsment. So how is this any inconvenience at all.
my cousin in utah is married to a bolivian, who is a citizen and is earning a law degree, and if they visit az, and if he decides he's going to take a walk in the park or go for a hike with his girls and he doesn't bring his wallet, my cousin shouldn't be getting a phone call from an ins detention facility that her family got arrested bc dad still speaks with an accent and his english is still a bit rough. That's just f'd up and i don't care who you are.
no one should be without an id, and if one goes out without id then you take that risk of being questioned. Like i stated we are not living in the 1930's anymore.
also, i work in the science field and we manufacture medical devices. I do think america is very skilled at manufacturing. We have european (or better) level of quality for much less expensive. The products china build are cheaper, but far inferior in quality and trustworthiness. We lose out on the low end as sometimes crappy is good enough.
However, on the high end, what i am not seeing is many americans with the skills and education to do the technical jobs. Just in my area i work with people (scientists/engineers) from china, india, nigeria, kenya, sudan, poland, russia, czech r., philippenes, pakistan, greece, uk, hiati, dom rep, puerto rico, costa rica, brazil, camaroon, to name a few. I'm not sure americans are even the majority.
My brother in law is a chem e professor and its a similar story. Few qualified american graduate students to choose from, so the dept accepts many students from india and china with the neccessary background and accomplishment.
Nursing school is another good example of this.
that is the perfect example of the laziness of americans i was talking about earlier. We have become a nation of spoiled ungreatful people who expect that nothing is going to change. How sad is that?
so the question i ask, why are all these americans out protesting and complaining about mexicans coming and stealing their shitty jobs digging ditches for $8/hr? If your job is easily replacable by an illiterate from a 3rd world country, then you need to get your ass back to school and get a better education because there are thousands of high paying jobs going to legal h1 visa holders who have little american competition. Its rather pathetic actually given the opportunity citizens are born into here.
I also think low wage mexicans/etc also contribute alot to american business competitiveness. I think the nation could do a lot more "low end" manufacturing combining american management techniques, innovation, and solid infrastructure with low wage guest workers to keep labor costs low, thus prices low, to compete better with crappy chinese goods. Alot of other things need to happen too, but we also have to get over the xenophobia and start looking at the business opportunities. Imo, the mexican infracture is too poor and the govt too corrupt to effectively utilize their low wage resource. We can take advantage of that for everyone's benefit.
If in the end we send a portion of this prosperity back to mexico to build that country, enlarge the middle class, are create a larger consumer economy for american goods, all the better for us. The future prosperity for america is not going to be built on protectionism and low skill jobs for lazy & lowly educated natives. The world is catching up and we need to work harder and be smarter if we want to keep the privledges we have.
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As a non US Citizen living (legally) in America I've been advised since I came here 5 years ago to carry at all times ID that shows I'm allowed to be in the US ligitimately...
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As a non US Citizen living (legally) in America I've been advised since I came here 5 years ago to carry at all times ID that shows I'm allowed to be in the US ligitimately...
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Makes sense to me. Like How I have to carry similar when in other countries.
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Makes sense to me. Like How I have to carry similar when in other countries.
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As long as citizens don't mind being treated as an illegal if they are stopped by police and do not have sufficient proof of citizenship.
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As long as citizens don't mind being treated as an illegal if they are stopped by police and do not have sufficient proof of citizenship.
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Last time I was stopped I was asked for identification.
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State of Arizona
Senate
Forty-ninth Legislature
Second Regular Session
2010
SENATE BILL 1070
AN ACT
AMENDING TITLE 11, CHAPTER 7, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 8;
AMENDING TITLE 13, CHAPTER 15, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING SECTION
13-1509; AMENDING SECTION 13-2319, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES; AMENDING TITLE
13, CHAPTER 29, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING SECTIONS 13-2928 AND
13-2929; AMENDING SECTIONS 23-212, 23-212.01, 23-214 AND 28-3511, ARIZONA
REVISED STATUTES; AMENDING TITLE 41, CHAPTER 12, ARTICLE 2, ARIZONA REVISED
STATUTES, BY ADDING SECTION 41-1724; RELATING TO UNLAWFULLY PRESENT ALIENS.
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1 Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
2 Section 1. Intent
3 The legislature finds that there is a compelling interest in the
4 cooperative enforcement of federal immigration laws throughout all of
5 Arizona. The legislature declares that the intent of this act is to make
6 attrition through enforcement the public policy of all state and local
7 government agencies in Arizona. The provisions of this act are intended to
8 work together to discourage and deter the unlawful entry and presence of
9 aliens and economic activity by persons unlawfully present in the United
10 States.
11 Sec. 2. Title 11, chapter 7, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
12 adding article 8, to read:
13 ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS
14 11-1051. Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of
15 immigration laws; indemnification
16 A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
19 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
27 C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS
28 CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM
29 IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE
30 TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND
31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.
32 D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY
33 SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES
34 AND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY'S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO
35 ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE
36 JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
37 E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
40 F. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS
41 STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS
42 STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING,
43 RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF
44 ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE
45 OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FOR THE FOLLOWING OFFICIAL PURPOSES:
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1 1. DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT, SERVICE OR LICENSE
2 PROVIDED BY ANY FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
3 STATE.
4 2. VERIFYING ANY CLAIM OF RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IF DETERMINATION OF
5 RESIDENCE OR DOMICILE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE OR A JUDICIAL
6 ORDER ISSUED PURSUANT TO A CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PROCEEDING IN THIS STATE.
7 3. CONFIRMING THE IDENTITY OF ANY PERSON WHO IS DETAINED.
8 4. IF THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN, DETERMINING WHETHER THE PERSON IS IN
9 COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION LAWS PRESCRIBED BY TITLE II, CHAPTER
10 7 OF THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.
11 G. A PERSON MAY BRING AN ACTION IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY
12 OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL
13 SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
14 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
15 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN
16 ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
17 1. THAT THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE ACTION RECOVER COURT COSTS AND
18 ATTORNEY FEES.
19 2. THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND
20 DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY
21 HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION PURSUANT TO THIS
22 SUBSECTION.
23 H. A COURT SHALL COLLECT THE CIVIL PENALTY PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION G
24 AND REMIT THE CIVIL PENALTY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR DEPOSIT IN
25 THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT MISSION FUND
26 ESTABLISHED BY SECTION 41-1724.
27 I. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS INDEMNIFIED BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
28 OFFICER'S AGENCY AGAINST REASONABLE COSTS AND EXPENSES, INCLUDING ATTORNEY
29 FEES, INCURRED BY THE OFFICER IN CONNECTION WITH ANY ACTION, SUIT OR
30 PROCEEDING BROUGHT PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION TO WHICH THE OFFICER MAY BE A
31 PARTY BY REASON OF THE OFFICER BEING OR HAVING BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LAW
32 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, EXCEPT IN RELATION TO MATTERS IN WHICH THE OFFICER IS
33 ADJUDGED TO HAVE ACTED IN BAD FAITH.
34 J. THIS SECTION SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH
35 FEDERAL LAWS REGULATING IMMIGRATION, PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF ALL
36 PERSONS AND RESPECTING THE PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF UNITED STATES
37 CITIZENS.
38 Sec. 3. Title 13, chapter 15, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
39 adding section 13-1509, to read:
40 13-1509. Trespassing by illegal aliens; assessment; exception;
41 classification
42 A. IN ADDITION TO ANY VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW, A PERSON IS GUILTY OF
43 TRESPASSING IF THE PERSON IS BOTH:
44 1. PRESENT ON ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE LAND IN THIS STATE.
45 2. IN VIOLATION OF 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1304(e) OR 1306(a).
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1 B. IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION, THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF AN
2 ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY EITHER:
3 1. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO IS AUTHORIZED BY THE FEDERAL
4 GOVERNMENT TO VERIFY OR ASCERTAIN AN ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.
5 2. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY COMMUNICATING WITH THE UNITED
6 STATES IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES BORDER
7 PROTECTION PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
8 C. A PERSON WHO IS SENTENCED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION IS NOT ELIGIBLE
9 FOR SUSPENSION OR COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE OR RELEASE ON ANY BASIS UNTIL THE
10 SENTENCE IMPOSED IS SERVED.
11 D. IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PENALTY PRESCRIBED BY LAW, THE COURT SHALL
12 ORDER THE PERSON TO PAY JAIL COSTS AND AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT IN THE
13 FOLLOWING AMOUNTS:
14 1. AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A FIRST VIOLATION.
15 2. TWICE THE AMOUNT SPECIFIED IN PARAGRAPH 1 OF THIS SUBSECTION IF THE
16 PERSON WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO AN ASSESSMENT PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION.
17 E. A COURT SHALL COLLECT THE ASSESSMENTS PRESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION D OF
18 THIS SECTION AND REMIT THE ASSESSMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY,
19 WHICH SHALL ESTABLISH A SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT FOR THE MONIES IN THE ACCOUNT
20 ESTABLISHED FOR THE GANG AND IMMIGRATION INTELLIGENCE TEAM ENFORCEMENT
21 MISSION APPROPRIATION. MONIES IN THE SPECIAL SUBACCOUNT ARE SUBJECT TO
22 LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION FOR DISTRIBUTION FOR GANG AND IMMIGRATION
23 ENFORCEMENT AND FOR COUNTY JAIL REIMBURSEMENT COSTS RELATING TO ILLEGAL
24 IMMIGRATION.
25 F. THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO A PERSON WHO MAINTAINS AUTHORIZATION
26 FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO REMAIN IN THE UNITED STATES.
27 G. A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR, EXCEPT THAT A
28 VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS:
29 1. A CLASS 3 FELONY IF THE PERSON VIOLATES THIS SECTION WHILE IN
30 POSSESSION OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
31 (a) A DANGEROUS DRUG AS DEFINED IN SECTION 13-3401.
32 (b) PRECURSOR CHEMICALS THAT ARE USED IN THE MANUFACTURING OF
33 METHAMPHETAMINE IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 13-3404.01.
34 (c) A DEADLY WEAPON OR A DANGEROUS INSTRUMENT, AS DEFINED IN SECTION
35 13-105.
36 (d) PROPERTY THAT IS USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMITTING AN ACT OF
37 TERRORISM AS PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 13-2308.01.
38 2. A CLASS 4 FELONY IF THE PERSON EITHER:
39 (a) IS CONVICTED OF A SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION.
40 (b) WITHIN SIXTY MONTHS BEFORE THE VIOLATION, HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM
41 THE UNITED STATES PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1229a OR HAS
42 ACCEPTED A VOLUNTARY REMOVAL FROM THE UNITED STATES PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED
43 STATES CODE SECTION 1229c.
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1 Sec. 4. Section 13-2319, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:
2 13-2319. Smuggling; classification; definitions
3 A. It is unlawful for a person to intentionally engage in the
4 smuggling of human beings for profit or commercial purpose.
5 B. A violation of this section is a class 4 felony.
6 C. Notwithstanding subsection B of this section, a violation of this
7 section:
8 1. Is a class 2 felony if the human being who is smuggled is under
9 eighteen years of age and is not accompanied by a family member over eighteen
10 years of age or the offense involved the use of a deadly weapon or dangerous
11 instrument.
12 2. Is a class 3 felony if the offense involves the use or threatened
13 use of deadly physical force and the person is not eligible for suspension of
14 sentence, probation, pardon or release from confinement on any other basis
15 except pursuant to section 31-233, subsection A or B until the sentence
16 imposed by the court is served, the person is eligible for release pursuant
17 to section 41-1604.07 or the sentence is commuted.
18 D. Chapter 10 of this title does not apply to a violation of
19 subsection C, paragraph 1 of this section.
20 E. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP
21 ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE
22 SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND
23 THIS SECTION.
24 E. F. For the purposes of this section:
25 1. "Family member" means the person's parent, grandparent, sibling or
26 any other person who is related to the person by consanguinity or affinity to
27 the second degree.
28 2. "Procurement of transportation" means any participation in or
29 facilitation of transportation and includes:
30 (a) Providing services that facilitate transportation including travel
31 arrangement services or money transmission services.
32 (b) Providing property that facilitates transportation, including a
33 weapon, a vehicle or other means of transportation or false identification,
34 or selling, leasing, renting or otherwise making available a drop house as
35 defined in section 13-2322.
36 3. "Smuggling of human beings" means the transportation, procurement
37 of transportation or use of property or real property by a person or an
38 entity that knows or has reason to know that the person or persons
39 transported or to be transported are not United States citizens, permanent
40 resident aliens or persons otherwise lawfully in this state or have attempted
41 to enter, entered or remained in the United States in violation of law.
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1 Sec. 5. Title 13, chapter 29, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
2 adding sections 13-2928 and 13-2929, to read:
3 13-2928. Unlawful stopping to hire and pick up passengers for
4 work; unlawful application, solicitation or
5 employment; classification; definitions
6 A. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR AN OCCUPANT OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS STOPPED
7 ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY TO ATTEMPT TO HIRE OR HIRE AND PICK UP
8 PASSENGERS FOR WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR
9 IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
10 B. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO ENTER A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS
11 STOPPED ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY IN ORDER TO BE HIRED BY AN OCCUPANT
12 OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE AND TO BE TRANSPORTED TO WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF
13 THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
14 C. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED
15 STATES AND WHO IS AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN TO KNOWINGLY APPLY FOR WORK, SOLICIT
16 WORK IN A PUBLIC PLACE OR PERFORM WORK AS AN EMPLOYEE OR INDEPENDENT
17 CONTRACTOR IN THIS STATE.
18 D. A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR.
19 E. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "SOLICIT" MEANS VERBAL OR NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION BY A GESTURE OR A
21 NOD THAT WOULD INDICATE TO A REASONABLE PERSON THAT A PERSON IS WILLING TO BE
22 EMPLOYED.
23 2. "UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN" MEANS AN ALIEN WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE LEGAL
24 RIGHT OR AUTHORIZATION UNDER FEDERAL LAW TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES AS
25 DESCRIBED IN 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1324a(h)(3).
26 13-2929. Unlawful transporting, moving, concealing, harboring
27 or shielding of unlawful aliens; vehicle
28 impoundment; classification
29 A. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON WHO IS IN VIOLATION OF A CRIMINAL
30 OFFENSE TO:
31 1. TRANSPORT OR MOVE OR ATTEMPT TO TRANSPORT OR MOVE AN ALIEN IN THIS
32 STATE IN A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION IF THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY
33 DISREGARDS THE FACT THAT THE ALIEN HAS COME TO, HAS ENTERED OR REMAINS IN THE
34 UNITED STATES IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
35 2. CONCEAL, HARBOR OR SHIELD OR ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL, HARBOR OR SHIELD
36 AN ALIEN FROM DETECTION IN ANY PLACE IN THIS STATE, INCLUDING ANY BUILDING OR
37 ANY MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION, IF THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY DISREGARDS THE
38 FACT THAT THE ALIEN HAS COME TO, HAS ENTERED OR REMAINS IN THE UNITED STATES
39 IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
40 3. ENCOURAGE OR INDUCE AN ALIEN TO COME TO OR RESIDE IN THIS STATE IF
41 THE PERSON KNOWS OR RECKLESSLY DISREGARDS THE FACT THAT SUCH COMING TO,
42 ENTERING OR RESIDING IN THIS STATE IS OR WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
43 B. A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION THAT IS USED IN THE COMMISSION OF A
44 VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION IS SUBJECT TO MANDATORY VEHICLE IMMOBILIZATION OR
45 IMPOUNDMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 28-3511.
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05.20.2010, 12:13 PM
I will have to say all this talk about the crap jobs being given to emigrants is kind of funny. I get a kick out of how every supposedly true American thinks that they only take the crap jobs. Here in Reno, most of the Job force is Casinos, distribution, or IGT and other gaming type companies. Having only a fraction of the cities population actually being born in Reno, there is a large amount of every ethnicity working here. Now I do understand that most of the lesser jobs are taken by Hispanics, probably illegal, we also have a problem with emigrants taking the higher jobs as well. Just about every computer designer, or programmer I have met with the many Gaming companies and so forth in this area are all from India.
It took me only two weeks after quitting my job to find another one, but the thing is when searching for another job I came to realize that I was profiled as a lazy white person, compared to the stronger more desirable hard working emigrant. That may sound a bit childish, like I am complaining. I know nothing better, since I was raised with the idea that I can have everything and give nothing in return.
Jerry?
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