What are the best lipos?

[Ryu James]

i have owned Losi, TP, Enerland, PolyQuest, and NeuEnergy packs. I personally like the Neuenergy packs the best. i have the 30c packs now and i was thinking of getting their new 35c packs in the next couple of weeks. TP packs have always been great but i wish they would use 10ga wire on their packs instead of the old school 12ga. I had some enerlanc packs that had 8ga wire and were awesome but i still think the Neus were slightly better. i had a one of the new hyperion g3 packs but never used it. i sold it before i ever tried it but i know the Tekno guys LOVE them. the TP 40c pack only comes in 2s or 4s to my knowledge but if they make a 5s softpack in 40c let me know. that would be sick.

my understanding is that TP and NeuEnergy both have always used enerland cells. are they using something else now? TP has their new 30c propower line that i like. are they enerland? and is the 35c Neu enerland or not?

[Metallover]

Look at the mah ratings, they don't match. It seems the new Neu packs aren't enerland, and I don't think the old ones were either... You should get the Neu 40c packs!

[zeropointbug]

No one uses Enerland anymore, except PolyQuest as far as I know.

A123Systems bought out Enerland, and Polyquest as well, as it is now a division of A123systems.

I am not sure if they have a 'newer' chemistry to compete with the other brands packs (G3 35C, TP 40C....), because the old school Enerland cells don't even compare to these packs, as good as they are.

About Chinese manufacturing... for a given price point, you CAN make a MUCH better product in China vs. Korea, or anywhere else. Take for example my oldest brother's brand new audiophile vacuum tube amplifier ('Melody' brand), this amp has been rated, with 'price-no-object', THE best amp in the world for mid range acoustics, period. The amp costs around $2,500... the quality is out of this world, the sounds it makes I can't even describe... now if you tried to make the very same amp, same quality control elsewhere, it will cost much more. My point here is well, I don't know what my point is... all I am saying is that you can make a much better product in China than anywhere else, as long as it's not a slave labor, boot camp type operation... simply because it is much cheaper to do things over there.

Im hungry, I'm going to get something to eat.

[Matthew_Armeni]

You can't forget these cells
They are the absolute best cells I have ever ran. It feels like there is another cell in the pack, definitely more powerful then the Hyperions.

[OZ-RUSTLER]

Originally Posted by Matthew_Armeni

You can't forget these cells
They are the absolute best cells I have ever ran. It feels like there is another cell in the pack, definitely more powerful then the Hyperions.

+1 on these packs. Just recently purchased a pair of 2600mah 6S I run parallel for 5200mah, and can just say wow. Hardly get warm. They out perform my 3S 4900mah 25c Trackpower's, and I think Flightpower's are under rated. Fullymax recommend only 2C charging, which is fine with me.

[zeropointbug]

BP-REVO, FP has discontinued the 28, and 33; they are now replaced by the EON X-Lite(25C), EON X30(30C), and if rumor is to be believed, an EON F3A line (which might be around 35 - 40C?)

FP does always underrate their packs, but to be honest, it's probably more accurate in the real world.


The Fullymax packs, what are the prices on those?

[aqwut]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

No one uses Enerland anymore, except PolyQuest as far as I know.

A123Systems bought out Enerland, and Polyquest as well, as it is now a division of A123systems.

I am not sure if they have a 'newer' chemistry to compete with the other brands packs (G3 35C, TP 40C....), because the old school Enerland cells don't even compare to these packs, as good as they are.

About Chinese manufacturing... for a given price point, you CAN make a MUCH better product in China vs. Korea, or anywhere else. Take for example my oldest brother's brand new audiophile vacuum tube amplifier ('Melody' brand), this amp has been rated, with 'price-no-object', THE best amp in the world for mid range acoustics, period. The amp costs around $2,500... the quality is out of this world, the sounds it makes I can't even describe... now if you tried to make the very same amp, same quality control elsewhere, it will cost much more. My point here is well, I don't know what my point is... all I am saying is that you can make a much better product in China than anywhere else, as long as it's not a slave labor, boot camp type operation... simply because it is much cheaper to do things over there.

Im hungry, I'm going to get something to eat.

My next batch of lipos will be the G3s..... Can't wait to try these babies out..

[Mentat]

Originally Posted by zeropointbug

No one uses Enerland anymore, except PolyQuest as far as I know.

A123Systems bought out Enerland, and Polyquest as well, as it is now a division of A123systems.

I am not sure if they have a 'newer' chemistry to compete with the other brands packs (G3 35C, TP 40C....), because the old school Enerland cells don't even compare to these packs, as good as they are.

About Chinese manufacturing... for a given price point, you CAN make a MUCH better product in China vs. Korea, or anywhere else. Take for example my oldest brother's brand new audiophile vacuum tube amplifier ('Melody' brand), this amp has been rated, with 'price-no-object', THE best amp in the world for mid range acoustics, period. The amp costs around $2,500... the quality is out of this world, the sounds it makes I can't even describe... now if you tried to make the very same amp, same quality control elsewhere, it will cost much more. My point here is well, I don't know what my point is... all I am saying is that you can make a much better product in China than anywhere else, as long as it's not a slave labor, boot camp type operation... simply because it is much cheaper to do things over there.

Im hungry, I'm going to get something to eat.

Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by Mentat

Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids

Well you need a certain amount of brain cells to tell the difference, I am not sure, but I don't think that many.

I am not talking about your average supposedly 'hi-fi' amplifier here. Don't even bother arguing about it.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by Mentat

Sounds like you just wanted to brag about yours brothers AMP, which by the way is a total waste of money. I used to be into audiophile type amps, and let me tell you. you can't tell the difference from one amp to the next. We even tested that high end equipment in the electronics lab at my university and the cheaper shite came out on top. LOL.. Take the $2500 and buy a kick ass RC or donate it to some homeless kids

I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department...

Nothing against lab equipment, but the human ear is much more sensitive than the best equipment you can find. Plus it can interpret many more variables at the same time than lab equipment. Tube amps sound warmer, different crossover setting impart a different sound and feel. Various digital to analog converters will produce different sounds. I did high end car audio when I was younger and there is a big difference.

And yes, shit can be built cheaper in china than anywhere else... Why do you think most things have made in china stamped on them...

[nitrostarter]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department....

Smart a$$...

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

I can hear the difference between 2 amps running the same speakers with the same source material and head unit... I do have an above average IQ, but I doubt that is helping me out much in the listening department...

Nothing against lab equipment, but the human ear is much more sensitive than the best equipment you can find. Plus it can interpret many more variables at the same time than lab equipment. Tube amps sound warmer, different crossover setting impart a different sound and feel. Various digital to analog converters will produce different sounds. I did high end car audio when I was younger and there is a big difference.

And yes, shit can be built cheaper in china than anywhere else... Why do you think most things have made in china stamped on them...

Oh I didn't even notice your post Linc. You are right, the human brain actually is what is doing the listening... and yes, you can hear differences that a techy in a lab says you are full of shit. There are some things that test equipment is pointless to be used on, and hi-fi audio is naturally one of those things. Not trying to be a braggart, but I can tell the difference between O.F. copper interconnects and silver interconnects, as well as the difference between two different rectifier tubes on the phono-stage preamp. It has a lot to do with the system being very natural, open, and almost free of influence/dampening. This is on a new gen. turn table might I add, which up until 3 years ago, I thought was an inferior medium to store music on.... quite the contrary.


Metallover, you need to have a graph that has notes about each brand's pack, such as FP and Hyperion have much higher cycle life than other brands, and FP, Neu, Hyp can be charged at 5C rates, etc...

[aqwut]

I love my polyQuest Packs... they seem to take a nice beating, even up to 60 Degrees celcius... they keep on ticking.. one puffed up, and a returned back to normal... PolyQuest all the way...

[Metallover]

You've ran the new hyperions and these? I remember, I think takedown, mentioned these awhile ago. Iever really looked into them though... I'll see what the hype is then I might add them or at least check if any numbers match up.

[Matthew_Armeni]

Originally Posted by Metallover

You've ran the new Hyperions and these? I remember, I think takedown, mentioned these awhile ago. I never really looked into them though... I'll see what the hype is then I might add them or at least check if any numbers match up.

I've run them both, these FullyMax cells are beasts. The Hyperions are great, and for the price hard to beat. But for straight performance, nothing I've run is this good.