E-Bike System

[snellemin]

Makes you wonder why Ebikes cost so much compared to a E-scooter heh?

Ebike can run on the bike lanes. Not so with a scooter.
Ebike is more nimble.
Ebike can go places scooters can't.
Scooters are harder to steal.
Scooters are more comfortable.
Scooters has lights, horn, fancy stuff.

I went Ebike, because it is cheaper and can take it inside my work building and charge the sucker up. I also don't have to worry about finding a parking spot in between all the motor cycles. I don't have to stay behind cars. I can pass them on the side and scoot to the front. Now if I lived somewhere else and work was a bit further, than a E-Scooter would've fit the bill.

Time for Monster Mike to make a Monster Ebike conversion for outrunner motors.

[BrianG]

Brammo apparently now has a 6-speed e-motorcycle: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...div=-994078122

Not sure if 6 speeds are necessary really - I would think 2 or 3 speeds would be sufficient to get good low end and good top speed without overworking the motor. After all, legal top speed of ~70mph on most roads.

[JERRY2KONE]

Yep there are pros & cons for each of them. I personally want an E-bike just because it is much easier to deal with in regards to transporting it if there is a problem, and also when you are moving from one place to another. I can throw an E-bike into the back of my van or load it up on a bike rack on the tow hitch if I need to. Plus as we move from one country to another we can just put it into our household goods shipment. And yes it can get into places that a scooter can not. I have a motorcycle license but riding an E-bike does not require one. Just less hassle all around riding the E-bike. Most places the Cops will not bother or go after a bicycle, but a scooter is held much more accountable to the local laws in most places.

For most who may have a mountain bike sitting around they can easily be converted. With the cost of the chinese kit and a good battery pack you can still do an E-bike conversion for about $1000.

[snellemin]

Brian, I think the 6 speed is meant more for the offroad division.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/05...on/#more-34722

[snellemin]

For only 44000, you can get this nice Ebike.

http://uncrate.com/stuff/lito-sora-electric-motorcycle/

[JERRY2KONE]

Keep in mind that new technology always starts out with a price tag that is outrageous. I will never forget when I saw the very first 42" plazma flat panel TV. It was in the Payboy magazine 1978 Christmas list for buying toys for the man that has everything. It was listed for $22k, and now you can get a 42" LCD for under $500. Just think about what $22K meant back then. Everyone was saying back then that these TV's would only ever be for the very rich. Everything technology wise comes down eventually as everything evolves. That bike for $44K now will end up selling for $5K in the next ten to twenty years. But by then there will be even better stuff that will make that bike look like a cheap toy.

Right now though that is one nice bike.

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by snellemin

Brian, I think the 6 speed is meant more for the offroad division.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/05...on/#more-34722

Well, I "liked" Brammo on FB and they posted a short video of the 6 speed bike and it was only being run on-road.

But really, I would think on-road is where you'd see the biggest benefits of multi-speed. First gear for the low end, and then one or two more speeds to get the higher end without having the motor maintain high rpms - especially good on "long" highway runs.

Jerry: I agree; prices for new tech is always higher when it first comes out. But I don't see battery prices dropping too much in the near future unless they can come up with cheaper materials/assembly methods. Even then, demand for batteries is just going to go up and up as more and more things become electrified.

[mistercrash]

Originally Posted by snellemin

Makes you wonder why Ebikes cost so much compared to a E-scooter heh?

Ebike can run on the bike lanes. Not so with a scooter.
Ebike is more nimble.
Ebike can go places scooters can't.
Scooters are harder to steal.
Scooters are more comfortable.
Scooters has lights, horn, fancy stuff.

I went Ebike, because it is cheaper and can take it inside my work building and charge the sucker up. I also don't have to worry about finding a parking spot in between all the motor cycles. I don't have to stay behind cars. I can pass them on the side and scoot to the front. Now if I lived somewhere else and work was a bit further, than a E-Scooter would've fit the bill.

Time for Monster Mike to make a Monster Ebike conversion for outrunner motors.

The scooter that I am thinking about is considered a bicycle by the ministry of transport simply because it has bike pedals on it. The pedals are useless, they are just there so that it is considered a bicycle so there's no need for a motorcycle license or insurance and yes you can ride in the bike lanes. For me and what I plan to do with it, I think it will fit the bill better than an E-Bike.

[snellemin]

aah. Sounds like the scooter is a winner for you then. You too can pass gas now. lol

[JERRY2KONE]

If it has peddles installed it would be considered a MOPED not a scooter. Scooters do not have peddles. Still we purchase whatever works for us. So how about a link to this vehicle? This way we can see what direction your going with this choice.

[mistercrash]

You have a better grasp of the English language than I have so if you say it's a moped then it's a moped. But I'm still saying scooter . Here's a link to E-Ride in Vancouver, Canada. Dealer of Motorino E-motorcycles, E-scooters, E-bikes, E-skateboards and other stuff. I looked at, and tried THIS model and THIS model. I also liked the vintage look of THIS model. They're kind of fun to ride on and comfortable.

[BrianG]

I was thinking about the multi-speed concept and wondered why an "electronic transmission" couldn't be used?

Option 1: Have separate wires for both ends of each motor coil (similar to how the old hi-amp LMTs were set up). Then, the ESC could electrically configure the motor for Y wind at low speed and D wind for higher speeds. The switchover would result in a 1.73x change in kv.

Option 2: Have the motor wound in whatever way it is (probably Y), but bring out a couple extra "tap" for each coil. Then, the ESC could power individual taps, resulting in different kvs.

Either way, more wires will need to be brought out of the motor. This increases weight, but that should be offset by the gains from the mechanical friction and weight of an actual transmission. Also, the ESC would be more complex.

[mistercrash]

Well it's done, the minivan was gone on Monday and I bought a Motorino XPn electric scooter today. I should get it Tuesday morning. The color is black cherry which is a new color that is not on their website yet. I bought a helmet with matching color. I can't wait to start riding around town with this thing. I feel good about it.
This thing runs on deep cycle lead acid batteries, it will be interesting to see if it can be upgraded to A123 cells or something like that. I think I will have a couple T-shirts done with this on the back. Or maybe make a small one from sticky vinyl on my wife's Cricut machine and stick it on the back of my helmet.



I'm gonna go hug a tree now.

[snellemin]

Awesome man!

[JERRY2KONE]

OK well share some specs with us about your purchase. How much did it cost you? How fast does it go? How far will it go on one charge? What is the operating voltage of this system? Share some pics when you get it.