Increasing the value of the motor from Castle?

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by FG101C

Just think it wasn't that long ago Castle had all those motor's at giveaway prices, if only we knew what lied around the corner.

I keep thinking the same thing.... If only I knew a year ago what was coming... I'd be a rich man.

This link was posted on r/ctech.net forum and I think it`s relevant to the discussion

http://www.mnn.com/earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...YbSjVrVQ#at=54

[skellyo]

So is this going to help the cost of neodymium?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7651RZ20110706

[Swindez85]

I believe it could but the article said that china is appealing the WTO ruling and sources say it will be many years before the appeal process is over with so in the meantime china has the world by the "balls" so to speak.

[phatmonk]

Glad I kept my CC motor stash

[outlaw]

I was about to order a Neu Motor today...
But those prices are also up to the roof....
Can't spend that much so I have to wait and hope the prices are going down one day...

[x-y]

¿350usd for a mmm combo? ¿250usd for a castle-neu motor?

friends thats crazy ..... sorry but for this prices I preffer buy chinese electronic xerun, leopard, ezrun etc ........ I had more than 8 castle escs, but if I need pay this crazy prices for this company ..... bye bye castle :(

Originally Posted by x-y

¿350usd for a mmm combo? ¿250usd for a castle-neu motor?

friends thats crazy ..... sorry but for this prices I preffer buy chinese electronic xerun, leopard, ezrun etc ........ I had more than 8 castle escs, but if I need pay this crazy prices for this company ..... bye bye castle :(

I see your point but I have serious doubts that the Chinese (they are all Chinese anyways) ones will stay at their current price for too long. I say if you see a cheap brushless motor anywhere buy it and stock up.

[x-y]

Originally Posted by BIG-block

I see your point but I have serious doubts that the Chinese (they are all Chinese anyways) ones will stay at their current price for too long. I say if you see a cheap brushless motor anywhere buy it and stock up.

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by x-y

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

Quality is the same or better than Castle? Hmmm, not a single sample we've tested from those other manufacturers even comes close the same quality.

At Castle, we use 180C (14xx series) or 200C (15xx series) rated magnets. Other companies use 130C or 150C rated magnets BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER. What does this mean? It means you can run a Castle motor much harder, without risk of damaging the magnets.

We use .2mm laminations. Other companies use .35mm laminations (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use more expensive laminations? Because this makes the motor run cooler. So Castle motors can be pushed harder and don't get as hot.

Castle motors use Japanese NMB bearings. Other companies use Chinese bearings (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use NMB bearings? Because they last longer, make less noise, and run cooler.

Sure, you can buy a less expensive motor. But don't make the assumption that because they look similar on the outside that they perform the same way.

Could castle make a cheap motor? Of course we could.

But we don't want to make a cheap motor. We'll leave that to other companies.

We always have the option to use less capable magnets in our motors. But right now, we don't want to change. We'll pay the higher price, and unfortunately, so will the consumer. Why? Because quality means something at Castle.

It's not all about price. If price means that much to you, then I'm afraid we'll lose you as a customer. We are interested in performance. And often high performance means higher prices.

Can everyone afford a Porsche or a big AMG Mercedes? No. For many people, a Ford is just fine.

Castle has always striven to give "Porsche" performance at a Ford price. :) But we aren't willing to sacrifice performance to keep those prices when it becomes impossible for us to keep the pricing stable.

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Now, what can the RC enthusiast do to help keep prices low on high performance products (like Castle motors?)

Contact your congressmen, and let them know it's in our country's interest for them to support: H.R. 4866, the Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (house) and S. 3521, Rare Earths Supply Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (Senate)

[RC-Monster Mike]

Amen, Patrick.

[outlaw]

Story from last saturday

I tested a Leopard motor last weekend.
This motor should be an "waiting extention" until I'm able to order my Neu 1412.
This motor last about 5min not even driving close to the limits

After it broke, i put in my 1410 and could drive the remaining day ....
Without a single issue and this motor is not even spected for my car, an 8,5 lbs RC8 to SC converion
No broken shaft no overheating nothing (hope for the 5mm rotor)
The Leopard died on 4S (2000KV) @ 95 ambiente temp with more than 200F
The Castle on 2S in the same car and not much slower never temped over 140F
on the same track same conditions

This is value for the money I don't want miss, even if i can't afford it for a certain time.

I'll be in the US first two weeks of August and will 100% order the Neu while over there to save the money on shipping

Castle Creation does have an unpayable attitude

"Customer Service is not an deparment, it is an Attitude"

And the prices are not Castles fault

just my 2 cents

[bdebde]

I have yet to find ANY motor to compare to Castle, except the Neu upon which it is based (more expensive yet).

I also swear by the NMB bearings...use them in all my diffs as I don't like to rebuild them often.

[pinkpanda3310]

I don't need convincing that castle is a quality producer but every now then it is nice to hear from the horses mouth why castle is better quality.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

Amen, Patrick.

x2

It will all get ironed out in the end. Hell, people were paying these prices left and right for neu, hacker, lehner, and (the blue motor who's name I forget) motors a few years back. Castle spoiled us with top notch motors on the cheap.