Align 600XL - How is it?

[Mailman]

Here is what he posted about it.
http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...1&postcount=12

[lincpimp]

Damn good guess on the batteries by me!

Looks interesting, but I would go with 6s lipos. Probably do a 6s 4000 pack for the same weight as the a123 and get twice the runtime. Maybe even 6s 3000 for lighter weight. 10min is not much IMO, but as he says the batteries can be changed easily.

I got an Align 600XL to run in my 8ight T. I ran it on 5S and geared it the same way that I gear my 1515 2.5d. Keep in mind that our track is pretty tight so it's a lot of accelerating and braking, but after a 10 minute run, the motor temped at 200*F. My Neu never gets over 170*F or so after 30 minutes of running. Once again, you get what you pay for.

[lincpimp]

I have a feeling that the 1515 can put out more power/torque than the align can. Up the voltage to 6s and gear down and I am sure that the temps would improve. Or sell me the motor and I will play with it

[Patrick]

I'm interested in these Align motors, they look nice. I raced against 2 brushless truggys using the 600XL's on Friday night.
One was an 8T, running 6s Flightpower 4900's, MGM 16018, 12t pinion and whatever the stock spur is. He had the 1700kv version. Apparently he's a very good helicopter pilot (I forgot how highly he was ranked), so he had about 10 of the flightpower 6s packs with him. Heaps of torque, but not a huge amount of top end. It's the first time he's raced an electric, so he was driving it like a nitro (bit too much throttle). That setup was getting hot, and the MGM thermaled before the end of the 30 minute race.
The other car was a Hyper ST Pro. 1650kv 600XL, 4s flightpower 4900's, 14t pinion and stock spur. He was using an Align controller without the pistix adapter (he has one on order), so he had to get used to not being able to coast He burnt out his brand new 16018 earlier in the week when testing it on 6s, so had to make do with the align and 4s. After 30 minutes racing the esc and motor were both nice and cool the motor was around 100f and the esc not much different. Ambient temp was around 60f (night time), and the ground was cold, because it had just rained a bit. Three out of the four of us had motor and esc temps around 100f or just under after 27-30 minutes racing.
Marty (the guy with the Hyper ST on 4s with Align esc) decided to do some more practice after the race on a 6s pack, not such a good idea.
**Hint** follow the motor wires Also the body doesn't have black paint on it.
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[Serum]

Ouch..

6S! what track are you guys running at?

it should be launched over the moon if he hits the first jump at WOT..

[mxracer]

yea boi !!! smoke it hard .. the main reason why i smoked that esc was because it dropped off the back of a berm , and i couldnt see it , i squirted the throttle a few times to see if it would pop over the berm ,but obvious that locked rotor full load amps was what broke the camels back ... 30 min race , wack 6s in within 5 mins , and did another 5 mins running with 6s , im not that surprised i smoked my esc ,, haha .. oh well ,, was only $100 align 100amp

Ps , im really happy with the align out runner motors , nigels special wind 1700kv motor is getting retired , we done some more testing at ryper sat, and we are now running 5S 14 tooth on a 600L 1620kv ( well the losi is ... im waiting on esc's)

the align 600L are about $120 retail new ..note, they r a 6pole motor

oh and nigel is number 4 in the world for heli's

youtube "nigel brown" there is a heap of heli vids .. i must say i was impressed on what heli's can do !!!

thanks for the pic Pat ! rip align esc!

[Patrick]

We were racing at this track http://www.rcracephotos.com/special/westcoast3.html
Directly to the left is the baby sized table top which is hard for us to not over clear. They don't want to make it any bigger, because a lot of the 1/10th buggies and 2wd trucks already struggle to clear it. When mxracer (Marty) was using 6s at the end of the night he was jumping to about in line with the end of that black railing. It's hard to tell from the picture, but it's a decent amount of air from the short run up.
It's meant to be a 1/10th track, which is why there was some arguments about rules on Friday night, and probably be some more in the next couple of weeks. Some track committee members don't care that their called 1/8th truggies, just as long as they can fit into specific sized box made for when we only raced e-maxx's. One of the committee members doesn't like that their called 1/8th's. They say they damage the track, but when driven properly the truggies are easier on the track than the maxx's were (we only have one monster truck class).

[mxracer]

http://www.rcplanet.com/Align_600L_B...nkx860003a.htm

$90 , price of a fiegao motor , but personally way better quality ( having run feigao's for years b4 hand)

remem these r outrunner motors, so dust ,dirt etc prob will kill em a bit faster ..

these motors are made for heli's they r made for 6S , full throttle full load , for the whole run time .. 8-10 mins in heli .. and after a flight they are HOT !! so they r made tough.
they do seems to rev out really fast .. and seem to lack top end pull ..

wen testing we got our decided race setup . 5S,14T on a watt master thingo it made 1500W , 75 amps and temps wher sweet after 10 min hard driving (guessing 60-70 Celcius ) the motor was a bit hotter then the esc .

[lutach]

I used my 600L with 36 volts and I overgeared it to do some speed runs and test a ESC. Everything worked fine. It did get hot, but that was expected. When I ran it with normal gearing, it ran nice and warm. I'm having some fun with the 1521, but I might try my 600L again.

[cart213]

I just bought Mailman's 600XL. I'm going to see how well it will push my MGT using 7s2p A123 cells.

Also, does anybody know if the MM can run this motor? I know Mailman smoked his MM with this motor, but I don't know if that was a fluke or the norm. I'm going to try it out first with my Barracuda, which I think shouldn't have a problem running it.

[mxracer]

does MM mean mamba max ?? those esc's are 2-3S 6-12cell arent they ?

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by mxracer

does MM mean mamba max ?? those esc's are 2-3S 6-12cell arent they ?

Yes, MM means mamba max.They're rated at 3s and 12 cells, but lots of people use them on 4s with external bec's. People have used the older ones on 5s and 16 cells. Maxd out (Darren from racing) has been using his maxx on 4s with the MM, since he shorted out his shulze (I don't think I've ever been able to spell that right) the week before the states. When he broke the fan that was on it last time he raced, it started to thermal.

[mxracer]

thanks Pat , yes i heard mike has used his MM on 5S in another thread, just depends how the MM likes a 6 pole motor , if MM can run a neu 4 pole then it might be ok with the align.

i would like to see how the align goes on 7S . I might be able to try that soon as i have sourced a 16024 plus i ordered another 16018 from mike.

[Patrick]

Not sure if the mm can do 6 poler's, I don't remember seeing anyone using that. Some people get cogging with neu's on the mm, but not because it's 4 pole.
Did you have any cogging with the align esc, before you killed it? I didn't notice any during the few minutes I watched you driving. Are you going to try another one of those esc's? Because it was doing well for a $100 esc, for a while anyway.
You've killed 2 esc's in 1 week running that motor on 6s, and now you what to try 7s
Did that 5s setup you tried have decent top end? They seemed to have a lot of torque, but not as much top end as I was expecting, since the kv is the same as my neu.

Are you going to try and get the align esc warrantied?