Any interest in a Ballistic 550 Motor?

[ta_man]

Originally Posted by BlackedOutREVO

I think the 8th scale ballistic would be cool as long as there is some low KV motors like 1800 ish. Like the tekin motor line up would be a good example. Even if there isnt a 6s from you guys, have the option for guys that have the esc's to do so. Because the ballistic motor design is super sick, especially for racing when you want to try a different motor, just buy a new winding. =D

Wish I had something to test a motor in. Haha

They made some 8.5 and 9.5 turn HV motors for the team guys (I know: I have an 8.5HV). The Build-A-Ballistic program has winds that are not sold as whole motors so there's no reason they couldn't do 8.5 and 9.5 wound stators with the HV Ballistics. Combine those with the 14MM rotor and you might get down as low as 1800.

I think you guys wanting these really low kv motors are not familiar with the way Novak motors like to run. Comparing them to a CC motor, Tekin, or a Neu is kinda irrelevant. Since those are 4 pole motors, and all have much bigger rotors, they require a different setup, and these will never perform similar to them. Since you can figure power as (Torque x rpm's = hp) and we know these are lower torque motors, they need those rpm's to make their power. Also those bigger motors can be very much amp hogs, and require a higher voltage to keep those amps in check, however these motors can hit there max wattage on about 50 amps on 4s. Well within the handling capacity of the motor, and most ESC's.

I take advantage of the small 2 pole rotor, and let them rap out. I've found that Novak motors really like to be up in the higher RPM range, and that they are fine with the 60k rpm range. I know my 4.5 has no problems on 4s, and that's 67,200 rpm's. To get a similar rpm out of a 1800kv you'd have dump 10s into it.

So think of it like this, you would never try to tune a big block, and a tuner motor the same. You use the torque of the big block, and the rpm's on the tuner. Then you wouldn't put the same gearing behind them either. So why try to make a motor something it's not?

[georgec]

Nah, Neu and Neu/Castle have the sensorless down pat. And Tekin seems to have the sensored 1/8th motors covered.
But what I would like to see Novak do is get up off their a$$ and release the Havoc 1s esc! I'm just saying

[E-Revonut]

The Novak HV motors are a great stepping stone into BL power coming from nitro. The power is very similar and easier to get used to cause even my old HV4.5 on 12cell nimh still had a LOT more power than my Revo 3.3 ever thought of. Also keep in mind that not everyone out there is after a 50-60MPH MT, and the broken parts that come with that speed!

I have to second that on E-Revonut's comment. With two little ones if I have time to run something I will go in my front yard and run my E-maxx with the HV6.5 and 14 nimh cells. It is plenty fast, but not so fast I worry about it like I would running my buggy or truggy that are heading towards 50mph in my residential section. It is dependable, works well, long run times, and best of all the truck is reliable. I would like to see a new set up from Novak with the ballistic motors in a 550 with the HV speed control having lipo cut off and computer set up capability.

To me is kind of like cars, some of my friends have turbo charged Hondas they drive all week and head to the track on the weekends. And one of my friends has a big block Camero that should NEVER be allowed on the street especially with him behind the wheel! Both are fun in there own way.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by georgec

Nah, Neu and Neu/Castle have the sensorless down pat. And Tekin seems to have the sensored 1/8th motors covered.
But what I would like to see Novak do is get up off their a$$ and release the Havoc 1s esc! I'm just saying

We started shipping the Havoc 1S to distributors Monday.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by ta_man

They made some 8.5 and 9.5 turn HV motors for the team guys (I know: I have an 8.5HV). The Build-A-Ballistic program has winds that are not sold as whole motors so there's no reason they couldn't do 8.5 and 9.5 wound stators with the HV Ballistics. Combine those with the 14MM rotor and you might get down as low as 1800.

We could always offer a "Build-A-HV" program....

And a "Build-A-Crawler" program....

How are your 8.5 HVs working? Bob is concerned that the lower Kv B. motors, from using the 14mm rotors, might not work very well.

We can easily offer higher Ballistic 550 wound stators.

If we decide to offer the Ballistic 550, the price would be under 110.00, which is the price of our HV Pro motor, which it would replace.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

We started shipping the Havoc 1S to distributors Monday.

Well how nice, I got tired of waiting and being put off and ordered the Havoc spec esc and 17.5 motor combo Sat. from Amain and it arrived today. Great service from Amain but now I guess I'm stuck with an out dated esc!
Thanks

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by georgec

Well how nice, I got tired of waiting and being put off and ordered the Havoc spec esc and 17.5 motor combo Sat. from Amain and it arrived today. Great service from Amain but now I guess I'm stuck with an out dated esc!
Thanks

If you haven't hooked it up yet, you can return ithe esc for exchange; but then you have additional shipping expenses. PM me if this is something you want to do, because this exchange is not generally offered.

[Kcaz25]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

If you haven't hooked it up yet, you can return ithe esc for exchange; but then you have additional shipping expenses. PM me if this is something you want to do, because this exchange is not generally offered.

Great service! Kinda reminds me of another company active here! That is good!

I wish Novak good luck in the 1/8th scale market, but Castle has me sold good atm.

[himalaya]

If coming out with a KW level motor takes a long wait, why not improve the ESC first. the dual tamiya connectors +14G wire look weak. Further more please make a switching BEC that operates on both packs instead of making one pack drain faster than the other, I saw similar designs only in toys.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

If you haven't hooked it up yet, you can return ithe esc for exchange; but then you have additional shipping expenses. PM me if this is something you want to do, because this exchange is not generally offered.

I know you trying to be helpful but at this point this only adds to my frustration! For you see not only have I installed the esc but I now find it to be defective. So I hope you can understand that at this point I'm not at all happy with Novak. This is all after waiting for almost a month for the 1s now I must wait again for this to resolved. Doesn't look like there will be much 1/12th scale this season for georgec

[georgec]

Originally Posted by georgec

I know you trying to be helpful but at this point this only adds to my frustration! For you see not only have I installed the esc but I now find it to be defective. So I hope you can understand that at this point I'm not at all happy with Novak. This is all after waiting for almost a month for the 1s now I must wait again for this to resolved. Doesn't look like there will be much 1/12th scale this season for georgec

To be honest I must update my last post. As it turns out the esc is not defective. But no where in the instructions for the esc or smart boost that by the way I had to purchase separately in order to to run on 1s liPos. But I digress, no where does it state that in order to run on 1s with the smart boost you must first go into the programing and turn off the LVCO in the esc. This maybe common knowledge to the tech heads of the world but not to a common DA like my self!
GeorgeC

[ta_man]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

We could always offer a "Build-A-HV" program....

And a "Build-A-Crawler" program....

How are your 8.5 HVs working? Bob is concerned that the lower Kv B. motors, from using the 14mm rotors, might not work very well.

We can easily offer higher Ballistic 550 wound stators.

If we decide to offer the Ballistic 550, the price would be under 110.00, which is the price of our HV Pro motor, which it would replace.

To be honest, I haven't had time to play with it yet. I definitley would not put the 14MM rotor in it unless it was to be run on 5S or 6S. Actually, I have the 8.5HV earmarked for a 4X4 slash on 3S with the standard 12.3MM rotor. I figure it will give me a lot of gearing flexibility and still run cool. I've been running a 7.5HV on 3s (with a Havoc3S) in a CRT.5. It goes plenty fast enough for the track where I run, the motor barely gets warm (10-15 degrees above ambient) and the speedo stays cooler than the motor. Feel the speedo heatsink after running the car and you can't even tell it has been turned on (that is with the fan on it, of course).

[MAS]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

You guys are the experts.

Would any of you be interested in a Ballistic 550 motor, with the same re-buildable features as our 540 motors? Which KVs would be most useful? We would definitely offer the 6.5T (3400 Kv).

Offering one would be relatively quick and with the 14mm rotor installed, it might be a fine motor for certain applications. We are having a project update meeting today, so if you have any inputs, post them here.

Which vehicles do you see this 550 size motor being used in?

PS: we now offer Ballistic 540 wound stators in some "Specialty" winds:

Ballistic Motor Hand Wound Specialty Stators

A lot has changed since your "project update mtg", specifically the popularity of 1/10 scale 4WD SCT which are heavier than 1/10 scale trucks and on-road cars, but lighter than 1/8 scale and generally run 2S/3S vs. 4S+. As you know, HV4.5 (550 -5,000 Kv) is perfectly suited for this class and folks are scouring the internet trying to find them! Based on that, I'd say yes, there is a market for a Ballistic 550 in 2S winds (5,000, 4,200, etc.) and 3S winds (3,400, 3,000), or re-release the HV4.5 (motor only) for SCT 2S racing.

What are Novak's plans for this market?

Just askin'