Increasing the value of the motor from Castle?

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by drkdgglr

So what are the alternatives Castle is looking at? Superconductive brushless motors?

Nitro

I don`t know if it`s been said,but the reason china is doing this because of political disputes with Japan and world trade organization.

[DwightSchrute]

i don't think Castle should look at alternatives. let the prices go up if need be.

As it is, these motors are all faster than the best of the nitro buggy engines for more than $100-300 less.

A good O.S. buggy engine can go for more than $250... all the way up to $450 or more.

Some of the really competitive Rossi engines can go from $450 to $700 or more, and that's without a pipe. So, to me....it is what it is. All the brushless motors last far longer, are more effecient and require less maintenance than the nitros.

What i have noticed the last couple of days is it seems like Tower has the brushless E-Revos back in stock at their holiday prices instead of it being the normally $50-60 dollars cheaper in the summer. my local hobby store is selling the Monster Castle combos for $80 more than they were a week ago.

They're still selling them too.

It seems like most of the guys who can afford a $300 combo can afford a $400 combo.

Again...if that's what has to happen, then it's worth it imo to keep such a high standard in motors.

[skellyo]

So is this going to help the cost of neodymium?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7651RZ20110706

[Swindez85]

I believe it could but the article said that china is appealing the WTO ruling and sources say it will be many years before the appeal process is over with so in the meantime china has the world by the "balls" so to speak.

[phatmonk]

Glad I kept my CC motor stash

[outlaw]

I was about to order a Neu Motor today...
But those prices are also up to the roof....
Can't spend that much so I have to wait and hope the prices are going down one day...

[x-y]

¿350usd for a mmm combo? ¿250usd for a castle-neu motor?

friends thats crazy ..... sorry but for this prices I preffer buy chinese electronic xerun, leopard, ezrun etc ........ I had more than 8 castle escs, but if I need pay this crazy prices for this company ..... bye bye castle :(

Originally Posted by x-y

¿350usd for a mmm combo? ¿250usd for a castle-neu motor?

friends thats crazy ..... sorry but for this prices I preffer buy chinese electronic xerun, leopard, ezrun etc ........ I had more than 8 castle escs, but if I need pay this crazy prices for this company ..... bye bye castle :(

I see your point but I have serious doubts that the Chinese (they are all Chinese anyways) ones will stay at their current price for too long. I say if you see a cheap brushless motor anywhere buy it and stock up.

[x-y]

Originally Posted by BIG-block

I see your point but I have serious doubts that the Chinese (they are all Chinese anyways) ones will stay at their current price for too long. I say if you see a cheap brushless motor anywhere buy it and stock up.

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

[Pdelcast]

Originally Posted by x-y

I have many leopard/ezrun/xerun escs and motors ..... and the quality is the same or better than castle ....... the support of castle is better but the prices of this other "companys" are extremely lower ....

castle is great but if they increase the prices is normal the people search other cheap options ........ is the same than mgm compro ........ they have the best electronics/warrantys, but they have a crazy expensive prices ........ for me is impossible pay 500usd for an esc ...... :(

Quality is the same or better than Castle? Hmmm, not a single sample we've tested from those other manufacturers even comes close the same quality.

At Castle, we use 180C (14xx series) or 200C (15xx series) rated magnets. Other companies use 130C or 150C rated magnets BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER. What does this mean? It means you can run a Castle motor much harder, without risk of damaging the magnets.

We use .2mm laminations. Other companies use .35mm laminations (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use more expensive laminations? Because this makes the motor run cooler. So Castle motors can be pushed harder and don't get as hot.

Castle motors use Japanese NMB bearings. Other companies use Chinese bearings (BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH CHEAPER.) Why does Castle use NMB bearings? Because they last longer, make less noise, and run cooler.

Sure, you can buy a less expensive motor. But don't make the assumption that because they look similar on the outside that they perform the same way.

Could castle make a cheap motor? Of course we could.

But we don't want to make a cheap motor. We'll leave that to other companies.

We always have the option to use less capable magnets in our motors. But right now, we don't want to change. We'll pay the higher price, and unfortunately, so will the consumer. Why? Because quality means something at Castle.

It's not all about price. If price means that much to you, then I'm afraid we'll lose you as a customer. We are interested in performance. And often high performance means higher prices.

Can everyone afford a Porsche or a big AMG Mercedes? No. For many people, a Ford is just fine.

Castle has always striven to give "Porsche" performance at a Ford price. :) But we aren't willing to sacrifice performance to keep those prices when it becomes impossible for us to keep the pricing stable.

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Now, what can the RC enthusiast do to help keep prices low on high performance products (like Castle motors?)

Contact your congressmen, and let them know it's in our country's interest for them to support: H.R. 4866, the Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (house) and S. 3521, Rare Earths Supply Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (Senate)

[outlaw]

Story from last saturday

I tested a Leopard motor last weekend.
This motor should be an "waiting extention" until I'm able to order my Neu 1412.
This motor last about 5min not even driving close to the limits

After it broke, i put in my 1410 and could drive the remaining day ....
Without a single issue and this motor is not even spected for my car, an 8,5 lbs RC8 to SC converion
No broken shaft no overheating nothing (hope for the 5mm rotor)
The Leopard died on 4S (2000KV) @ 95 ambiente temp with more than 200F
The Castle on 2S in the same car and not much slower never temped over 140F
on the same track same conditions

This is value for the money I don't want miss, even if i can't afford it for a certain time.

I'll be in the US first two weeks of August and will 100% order the Neu while over there to save the money on shipping

Castle Creation does have an unpayable attitude

"Customer Service is not an deparment, it is an Attitude"

And the prices are not Castles fault

just my 2 cents

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

...great tech info...

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Now, what can the RC enthusiast do to help keep prices low on high performance products (like Castle motors?)

Contact your congressmen, and let them know it's in our country's interest for them to support: H.R. 4866, the Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (house) and S. 3521, Rare Earths Supply Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 (Senate)

IDK what the detail of the bill is, but can this actually do anything? From what I know, China has nearly all the available rare earth metals and is not shy about using that to its advantage, as well as having its own terrible inflation problem (from years of artificially keeping their currency low.)

Perhaps now are we just seeing a more "real" price for these items than we are used to (discounting the market manipulation)?


Glad I stocked up during last year's sale

[RC-Monster Mike]

Amen, Patrick.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike

Amen, Patrick.

x2

It will all get ironed out in the end. Hell, people were paying these prices left and right for neu, hacker, lehner, and (the blue motor who's name I forget) motors a few years back. Castle spoiled us with top notch motors on the cheap.