Off-topic: Something for home defense?

[cmac]

Originally Posted by simplechamp

Would you say that about RC shops? It's like any shop, yes there are some who just want to make a quick buck, but there are plenty who are genuinely interested in helping you. Now that you have some background you should be able to decide which is which.

cmac: As far as the laser, I wasn't saying rely solely on it, more along the lines of add it to the system if you want the additional features/benefits. Absolutely be prepared to operate with or without it. Anything can malfunction, the laser, the weapon itself. You always need to have a backup plan.

I could not say it better.!!!!

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by J57ltr

Are us southerners the only ones that know our NFA stuff?

Quite possibly... I am a gun nut. Unless it is bolt action or designed to solely hunt with I have probably owned, fixed, modified or shot it at one point or another... Always good to know your gun laws, they infringe on your rights.

Originally Posted by JThiessen

99% of the people on this forum would say that they do not trust their LHS for anything at all....nadda....nuttin....

My LHS is also a commercial lawn mower retailer, and they are very knowledgeable about that. If they encounter any tough rc questions, my shop number is on their speed dial!

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

Well said! Criminals don't have guns legally to begin with. Removing guns from law abiding citzens just makes them easier targets.

Yes, you can reference Austrailia's latest gun collection program if you would like some concrete proof of your statement. Very sad that their gov't got away with that.

[Finnster]

Normally I don't like the idea of guns in the house with kids. I remember the stupid shit I. id. Otoh, we have a gunmen loose behind our house, and it gives you a bad feeling knowing you are way out gunned.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...128554078.html

Helis have been flying over the house since 5-6am. The hurricane took out the power and the phones are down. The gunman is a soldier who shot his family and has shot at a bunch of police.

Bad bad bad. Don't want to be stuck in the house in the dark tonite while some killer is outside and all I got is two small kids, two old dogs, and a knife and bat....

[BrianG]

So I went to a local store (Scheels) and took a look around. They have a pretty decent selection and even have a "home defense" shotgun section. My two favorites for simplicity and price was a Remington 870 Express (http://www.remington.com/products/fi...c-7-round.aspx) and a similar Mossberg. Personally, the Remington had an overall better feel and had less play in the mechanisms.

But then I started thinking; if I have a gun in the house for defense, it obviously has to be readily accessible during emergencies, but it also should not be accessible to curious kids. Those two criteria are mutually exclusive, are they not? How can I have the firearm ready to use quickly, yet safely put away? This is probably the biggest argument my wife has against firearms in general. If I can answer this question, I think she'd be much more apt to allow it. I could put the proverbial foot down and say I'm getting one and that's that, but I have to live with her, so I'd like to find a more persuasive argument. Until then, I'm stuck potentially bringing a bat to a gunfight if an armed intruder does break in.

I just started working for a company called parabellum armament and they have this

http://www.parabellumarmament.com/pasite/defender.htm

In the works. Sounds like it would be perfect for what you need. Still a prototype but very cool IMHO. Other than that a nice safe with a keycode lock or a lock and key is the only thing quick really. A bit expensive though.

[scarletboa]

Originally Posted by bigsteel

I just started working for a company called parabellum armament and they have this

http://www.parabellumarmament.com/pasite/defender.htm

In the works. Sounds like it would be perfect for what you need. Still a prototype but very cool IMHO. Other than that a nice safe with a keycode lock or a lock and key is the only thing quick really. A bit expensive though.

that is the coolest "safe" home defense weapon i've ever seen. i wonder how much that thing is going to cost?

also, i agree with j57ltr about using bird shot for ammo. that's what i have loaded in my 12 guage and its very effective and doesn't penetrate as much, which is always nice when shooting indoors

[Finnster]

Well, they found the guy dead just down the rd about a mile away... Least I can sleep tonite.

I was thinking about this thread this am, and that was I was wondering Brian. I have a shotgun I keep.at my father's house. I was thinking it would have been nice to have. Otoh, wth do I do w. it all day? The alert has been out for 12hrs. I'm trying to clean up and settle kids down etc. Am I just walking around with it all day and nite? Strap it to my back as I'm hooking up the sump pump to a battle backup? Doing the dishes? Cleaning out the gutters.? Just sit in front of the door waiting and freaking my kids out over someone who will likely never come?

Idk. They are a good idea but its hard to see actually taking a shot @ someone. Just. Freaked out today....

Well, i don't have any kids, so i can't offer anything on that front. I don't know how old your kids are and i know accidents do happen, but usually it is kids that their parents didn't properly educate them about guns who have been involved in gun related accidents. People who know nothing about guns are more likely to harm themselves with one. This is just like if people didn't teach their kids to know that speeding cars are dangerous and to look both ways and listen before crossing the road; there would be many more children being hit by cars. I think the best thing would obviously be a safe that has a keypad would be fairly easy to get open in a hurry; rack a round, safety off, and boom. Next thing would be a trigger lock. Another thing would be to practice speed loading so that you could possibly keep ammo in a seperate place until needed and load it on the fly. If you close your bedroom door upon hearing a threat, you should have plenty of time to load. Another thing is that if your arent old enough to learn about guns then they most likely can't operate a shotgun either as long as you keep the chamber empty and closed. Also because of the slide safety on a Mossberg it is a little harder to throw off safety than the 870, albeit not enough to depend on that safety feature only. One other thing, although a rifle or pistol takes more practice to be good at hitting your target, it has the advantage of having a seperate magazine which greatly increases how fast you can load the weapon, which means you can keep the mag in a seperat e place.

[2genewb]

well brian, if you lose the battle with the wife, those knifes i posted will go clean through an entire turkey bones and all in one chopping motion if you put a little force behind it. as we all know, cutting off a safety off and loading a clip puts you at a major disadvantage when the would be robber is already locked and loaded. also... lunging in a hallway could put you clean through the perpetrator given the weight and point on those knifes. a bat can't do that.

you could still keep a gun safe across the room or a small one under the bed for added security. the knifes would just bridge the gap between those possible critical moments. perp downstairs... get the gun. perp in the room... grab and swing high. :D having the extra option may just give you that leverage with the wife as well. you could possibly convince her that this way the guns will stay put away.

[josh9mille]

Just buy the gun, you wife couldnt be mad forever. Make a deal with her, you can buy the gun and she can buy the whole Oprah series box set on DVD.

[x-y]

Had to remove this link as it was wayyyy NSFW.

-BrianG

[TexasSP]

Proper education is the key and you don't have to leave the gun laying next to the bed to be effective. Your kids know not to touch the hot stove or play with knives. The idea and end result is the same, education and safety. I grew up with guns in my house as a child and knew where they were. I also knew not to touch them and why. My kids are taught the same. In fact if my 5 year old happens to see my gun and I am not right there he immediately comes and tells me.

Having kids is just not a good argument for not having protection.

The other side of the coin is that you can't always control every aspect of where your kids will be and what they will find at someone else's house. It's not like you do a full interview with all your kid's friends' parents to see if they own guns. Better your kids know and understand than to come up on it naively. Kids who are never around and have not been educated about guns are far more likely to be curious when the see one somewhere. Knowing only what they see on TV they will not take the magnitude of handling one as seriously as a kid who grows up around them and is properly educated.

The actual statistics of children being injured or killed by guns in peoples homes is very small. Be careful when looking through statistics because they do not accurately differentiate street violence gun deaths from accidental deaths in homes. Many activists try to falsely make it seem as though the deaths are happening by accident while in reality they are not.

[brainanator]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

Your kids know not to touch the hot stove or play with knives. The idea and end result is the same, education and safety.

And I distinctly remember touching the stove once, hurt like hell, wouldn't recommend anyone do it. I also have fond memories of accidentally running a finger along a blade when I was really little, now I'm very careful.
And I know I was told not to touch the stove sometime before I did it. Maybe that was why I wanted to do it, because I was told not to. Just sayin.....kids don't always listen to parents.

[BrianG]

I agree with both you guys TBH; let experience be a lesson. However, a lesson involving a gun has much more potential to be lethal than any of those examples (although a knife can be close).

[brainanator]

I'm right there with ya, I wish kids could be reliably taught that guns are unsafe. But kids are kids...They don't have the thinking capacity yet to comprehend dangerous things unless they remember it hurting or being unpleasant. I know when I have kids all the firearms will be in a safe, the very least they will have breach locks on them.

That's one thing you could get, a breach lock for the shotgun, keep it loaded, and have the key in a good spot close. You could have the lock off quickly and you'd just have to close the breach to get a shell in the chamber. Still slightly cumbersome...but better than having a loaded gun laying around.