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suicideneil · 09:53 PM

Pretend to be from an RC magazine, and ask them loads of questions you know they wont be able to answer, like what the actual continuous rating is on their 150c batts ( its 75c, 150c burst ), what voltage the cells hold at 75c current draw ( any size pack- smaller mah capacity is easier to test ), what their warranty stance is ( they claim using lipos in r/c is experimental so no warranty is offered, but then they also offer you a warranty which is pretty crappy ), ask them about the lack of discharge graphes to prove their performance claims and ask them about their state-of-the-art facility where they assemble the packs

I'd also show them a graph of the lipos holding 3.75v @ 22.5c discharge and query how they could possibly be labled as 75c packs since the voltage would drop way below 3.0v per cell.

Also definitely make sure you ask them how any of their cells can output 150c for 3 minutes when they would be flat within 24 seconds:

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Originally Posted by Patrick Del Castello

My favorite quote from the Chicago show - "It's rated at 150C discharge. And it will take 150C discharge for three minutes."

The bull*hit being slung around in this hobby is amazing.

(BTW - at 150C discharge, a battery would go from completely charged to completely dead in 24 seconds. )

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...41&postcount=9

sikeston34m · 03.19.2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by suicideneil

Pretend to be from an RC magazine, and ask them loads of questions you know they wont be able to answer, like what the actual continuous rating is on their 150c batts ( its 75c, 150c burst ), what voltage the cells hold at 75c current draw ( any size pack- smaller mah capacity is easier to test ), what their warranty stance is ( they claim using lipos in r/c is experimental so no warranty is offered, but then they also offer you a warranty which is pretty crappy ), ask them about the lack of discharge graphes to prove their performance claims and ask them about their state-of-the-art facility where they assemble the packs

I'd also show them a graph of the lipos holding 3.75v @ 22.5c discharge and query how they could possibly be labled as 75c packs since the voltage would drop way below 3.0v per cell.

Also definitely make sure you ask them how any of their cells can output 150c for 3 minutes when they would be flat within 24 seconds:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...41&postcount=9

It does appear like someone read my post about the 24 second math and quoted it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Patrick is smart enough to do that kinda math in his head, but it makes me wonder.

lincpimp · 03.19.2011, 11:04 PM

Is Jason giving the massages?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WOOOOOOOHHHHHOOOHHHH!!!!!

I can just see him, hands all over some pimply faced rc crazed kid. Telling him how great he is, and that all of their lipos are still outperforming the competition, and how MA is only the best becuase He works there.

slimthelineman · 03.19.2011, 11:31 PM

Oh don't worry fellas I got some zingers for em. I could sell stink to s@*t if I wanted so I don't think it will be to hard to fain interest and apeal to their vanity a bit before I ramrod em. It's east to bs on a keyboard and be a toughguy but things are different in person. Mostly I'm hoping for a large crowd to hear the conversation and really open their eyes as to what these people are doing and expose the lies. I mean it's up to people to buy what they want but that's no excuse to take advantage of the rampid ignorance of mankind now is it? All in all I'm more excited about everything else at the show but this is kind of like the cherry on top. I get to harass someone while I'm there!

JERRY2KONE · 10:09 AM

This is going to be a great experience to share with everyone just like the bully beat down. Staying calm and not letting them get you all worked up. As long as you stay calm and under control there is not much they can do to get rid of you or ignore your questions. If it works well then others will join in on your side and demand answers as well. If a few guys in here can join together and show up there tomorrow that would be even better. Either way it would be nice to see and here what happens on video so we can all share in the laughter. Good luck with your assignment 007.

mistercrash · 03.20.2011, 09:26 AM

Waiting patiently for the full report.

slimthelineman · 09:19 AM

All i can say is wow........

First off i thought long and hard on how to aproach MA and decided since i had my wife and kids with me i would play dumb and see how much info they would really tell me or actually had. Really just wanted to punch Mr. Wilcox square in the face but I resisted...... somehow

Their table was covered with pages from car action (big suprise) and all the bs "awards" they had received. The whole convesation was centered around his favorite quote, "if you want the best money can buy this is it", riiiggghhhtt.......

I asked him straight up, where did you get this rating of 150c from? Was it from your own testing or from the manufacture? His reply was "Oh we have done extensive testing, we have this guy that goes to china...." wow all i have to do is send a guy to china and bam! 150c. He went on and on about how superior their packs were over enderland and thunderpower and the like, and how crappy the turnigy cells were! Ha Ha Ha what it felt like to me was "stop buying all our cells from turnigy so we can sell em as 150c. Honestly i looked at the MA cells and they bear a striking resemblance to the turnigy cells but thats a whole nother can of worms....

He was touting how their cells are all hand soldered for lower resistance and just the best of the best. I seriously doubt that soldering them in his garage yeilds any benifit in resistance but who the hell am i? This guy was so insulting to my intelligance i had to just walk away. It was like he thought I was an absolute moron. Granted if you buy into all their crap you are in my opinion, but there was no proof or even basic knowledge of electricity from what i gathered while speaking to him.

Pretty much what i expected from the encounter but no biggie. The packs laying on the table were put together pretty shitty even for my standards. Where the wires exited was dremeled out rough with no uniformity and the hardcases were already coming apart. The fact that these guys do business this way makes me sick. Even worse they are doing well which means people actually believe the crap that comes out of their mouths. I dont know about everyone else but just cause someone says something doesnt mean didly to me. If these packs are so great, how come i never see them at the track? How come they are not winning any national or world titles? Whatever, i told him i raced and what classes and so on. His immediate response was "you need this four cell for your buggy" Itold him i run six cell and he was like "oh thats way too many cells dude" What? really? according to who or what? Sorry i didnt bring home the bacon and have some graph doodle on a napkin but like i said i was resisting violence having someone speak to me like i wouldnt know my ass from a hole in the ground. Basicly he said alot, repeated himself alot and none of it meant shit to me.

Oh and for the record I wish you guys could have seen his face when i told him the best packs i have ever used were three year old turnigy's. he was lookin at me like i was cletus the slack jawed yokel.

J57ltr · 03.20.2011, 11:36 PM

Just imagine how many C they could put on their packs if they sent someone to the moon!

slimthelineman · 03.20.2011, 11:41 PM

Ha ha ha..... These are the ways we test batteries now? They seem to be forgetting the fact that there are only a few places on the planet to get these cells. Kinda throwing it in our face that they think they are so much smarter than us by saying the same cells are better cause the sticker is cooler and has flames and a big number on it.

J57ltr · 03.20.2011, 11:46 PM

Come on now, you are forgetting the most important thing...... they send... a guy..... to China. That's got to be worth something right?

slimthelineman · 03.20.2011, 11:55 PM

Not unless that guy is sir issac newton himself or even einstien, someone who isn't full of crap and can actually verify these cells capabilities. Honestly I don't really care all that much about a c rating. Just buy the highest avalible for the packs I want but it's a bit ludicrous to have double the rest of the market all the sudden. Maybee the garage has some special abilty to increase the c rating I don't know. Just sucks that these guys think so little of the customers that keep their business going that they will lie to their face to make a buck.

JERRY2KONE · 02:58 AM

You guys are being a little bit mean. I am offended, because what you do not know is that in that tiny little garage (I mean factory) they have acquired the only flux capacitor from the movie set of "Back To The Future" and are using it to give their packs their initial charge, giving thier packs a "TRUE 150C" rating. See if you were as smart as they are, then you would have known this. This is why they have a blue flame sticker shrunk onto these packs, because it matches the flames that appear when the Delorian goes back to the future. See if you really understand the facts, then you get the reasoning behind the ratings. Get the fact gentlemen, get the facts. So hurry up now and go purchase MA packs and you to will be the collest cat in R/C racing. And probably get your a$$ handed to you at the track by some 12 year old kid using Turnegy packs.

ha ha ha ha ha ha.

See you guys are just stupid.

Brandon Cox said so, and he's cool to. Oh and that guy they sent to China could not understand a word of Chinese, but from what he could gather they were trying to tell him that these are the best cells on the planet. Once again guys get your facts right.

03.21.2011, 08:39 AM

I think I should buy some generic cells from China. I will send my brother there who is a pilot and knows nothing about batteries in general. I will get him to buy the cheapest cells that they have and ship them back to me. Then I will put Holographic stereogram flames on the side of the pack with big bold TRUE 300C written on there two. Don't forget the sooper dooper 12awg wires and Deans connectors which will handle these kind of discharges with ease. Throw in a few more gimmicks such as waterproof and able to survive a nuclear holocaust (even though you wont). That ought to do it me thinks. Should be able to steal most of their customers from them and become filthy rich. If only I had no sense of morals or dignity and had no trouble stealing peoples hard earned.........

JERRY2KONE · 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG-block

I think I should buy some generic cells from China. I will send my brother there who is a pilot and knows nothing about batteries in general. I will get him to buy the cheapest cells that they have and ship them back to me. Then I will put Holographic stereogram flames on the side of the pack with big bold TRUE 300C written on there two. Don't forget the sooper dooper 12awg wires and Deans connectors which will handle these kind of discharges with ease. Throw in a few more gimmicks such as waterproof and able to survive a nuclear holocaust (even though you wont). That ought to do it me thinks. Should be able to steal most of their customers from them and become filthy rich. If only I had no sense of morals or dignity and had no trouble stealing peoples hard earned.........

Ya know honestly if you did this and sponsored a table right next to the MA table at the next RCX I bet they would go absolutely crazy. Make your heat shrink wraps exactly the same only red, and do the TRUE 300C with the same exact graphics too, and tell them that you had some guy go to China and Singapore so he knows more than their guy does.

Then put the Lipo pack into some kind of death ray gun and melt their faces off.

That would be awsome man.

03.22.2011, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Ya know honestly if you did this and sponsored a table right next to the MA table at the next RCX I bet they would go absolutely crazy.

I daydreamed about this during the drive home, it's $1400 for a table for a weekend, it would be a laugh for sure.