I am wrong about MaxAmps.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by kulangflow

Sorry John, but it looks like Jason booted you and erased all your posts from NK because of your "hating".

I keep wanting to defend your good name there, but I don't want it to compromise my ability to get answers from them. I'm sure I would immediately be booted like you were.

I knew that this would happen as soon as I found out that Jason was the admin over there. Well, John, we all know who the better man is now! Looks like all questioning of maxamps product will be deleted. I guess that people are just going to have to find out the hard way about maxamps quality/honesty, I had to.

NOTE TO ANYONE NEW TO THIS FORUM, AND ALL MEMBERS IN GENERAL: DO NOT EXPECT ANY SORT OF RELIABLE BATTERY INFO AT THE NITRO KILLERS FORUM.

If you want some biased opinions be my guest and go over there. I know that quite a few members from here are on that forum too, and I wish them good luck.

I was going to sign up, but seeing this has made me change my mind. All John was aking for was a few graphs to prove maxamps claims. I guess that Jason could not bring himself to doctor up some graphs to suit his claims.

Who cares, we all know what forum to come to for the best advise and info about nitro to electric conversions!

[BrianG]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

NOTE TO ANYONE NEW TO THIS FORUM, AND ALL MEMBERS IN GENERAL: DO NOT EXPECT ANY SORT OF RELIABLE BATTERY INFO AT THE NITRO KILLERS FORUM.

Aww come on now! I try my best over there!

Seriously, there really should be impartial 3rd party testing done on all lipo packs to ensure customer safety and to help them pick the best pack for their application.

[lincpimp]

Originally Posted by BrianG

Aww come on now! I try my best over there!

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I am sure you do, but trying to reason with Jason is like trying to push water up a wall.

[aqwut]

Originally Posted by lincpimp

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I am sure you do, but trying to reason with Jason is like trying to push water up a wall.

You can say that again... I'm just mad, not because of debates, or him defending his products... I'm mad because he called me a Liar... Call me n *sshole or something, maybe even a B*tch.. but don't call me a Liar...

[kulangflow]

Hey Brian and anybody else, what would you think about using a fixed airplane prop on a bench to do the testing? I could do no throttle - half throttle - full throttle - half throttle - no throttle runs timed at 5 seconds each for 10 minutes or something like that.

Thoughts?

[Just go Play]

I hate to say this but I'm predicting that kulangflow is going to disappear from the NK forum shortly... Jason has backed himself into a corner that he cannot BS his way out of.

Kulangflow I think that last graph you posted perfectly shows why you are asking the questions that Jason does not want to answer. That pack is performing so far below specs no matter what excuses are used to justify the results its pathetic.

[johnrobholmes]

That will be my test for continuous load, prop and ESC.


My last deleted post there:

1. I have offered you my hard data. You say you would never trust any of my findings because I am a "hater". Fair enough. It is obvious that you will not back up any claims with data, you simply dismiss my findings with name calling.

2. Can you find batteries from CBP on my site? I implore you to back up your statement with fact. They are not the only person that imports elite cells. I used to carry vislero cells- a direct $$ interest. I found that they were inflating their specs so I let as many customers know as possible and stopped importing them. Thats right, I "badmouthed" a brand that I was currently selling.

3. I am just fine with maxamps being around for as long as possible. This is a free country and you guys have a lot that you could do for our market. The fact that you label any negative data as "claims" but present any positive claims as "truth" is rather saddening to me. It is called a self serving bias, and it does nothing to further our hobby.


So, I would ask for a discharge graph (or any data at all) again but I feel that my breath is wasted here. I am being civil, fair, and trying to promote a decent discussion about this. So far it looks like I am the only one getting direct responses from you in this thread, so why not answer my questions?

Jason's response was along the lines that I have no proof to my claims, even though I have based my "claims" on empirical data. I am sending an email to Austin right now, I feel that he should know the perspective of one business owner to another. Maybe he will be interested in my data.


Now I am IP blocked

[johnrobholmes]

Jason's statements taken from two posts. The truth is that their packs are better. The claims are the empirical data that I have offered (he is responding to data that I posted).

Now hopefully he will report back with the truth and if so you will see our packs on top...
I would never trust any findings or claims coming from you

[rschoi_75]

interesting debate.... Too bad no one from MA will step up with data (I hope that will change). I've read the threads at NK and Traxxas, and think you guys are being as fair as possible. I haven't read any claims from you guys that weren't backed by raw data.

Its not a good sign that Jason is being so defensive. Even if he can back up his claims, his attitude as a marketing manager is somewhat disappointing. Being passionate is one thing, but being defensive and getting into name calling is something I would not expect from the lead marketing manager of Maxamps. Its definitely not the right way to handle things.

[johnrobholmes]

I would really like to point out how well BrianG is handling this. He is doing a great job of presenting ideas with no emotional base, and trying to further our hobby along with 3rd party data. It is unfortunate that my findings are moot, because I have the resource and ability to add some data to this.

[Just go Play]

I agree it is very disappointing to see such childish behavior from someone in his position. However this seems to be the way that he deals with anyone that dares to suggest that his product is in anyway less then perfect or that any other product performs better.

And the thing that kills me is that this whole thing came about not because someone was bashing his product. I was because one of his repeat customers was having problems with their product in one of his rc's and had posted the results of testing that he had done to determine the problem.

So how does this company treat their customer? They call him a liar, claiming that the info he has posted is not truthful in some way. Do they offer to replace his sub par performing packs that he has? No, instead they offer to send him a bigger pack to test with so he can prove that their product will outperform a competitors. And it should be pretty obvious what will happen if his tests should show that the pack he is sent still does not perform as well as it should.

I can only say that if it was me I'd be pretty unhappy at being treated that way. I don't know about the state kulangflow lives in but I'm pretty sure where I live Jasons comments could be seen as defamatory... in any case I'm glad I am not one of their customers.

[Just go Play]

BrianG is without question one of the most objective level headed people your likely to come across in this or any public forum. If there is a way to present views or information contrary to those that Jason has he likely has the best chance.

That said though I find it impossible to have a conversation with persons that ignore any data that is presented to them, have absolutely no data of their own that contradicts mine, or that resorts to name calling.

The world is round... you will admit that the world is flat or you shall face the executioner!

[Arct1k]

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[johnrobholmes]

Wow, the post 16 justification of Kulangs peaks being near the continuous rating is just boggling. Since when is peaking near the continuous rating pushing the pack continuously? If I had to draw a conclusion on duty cycle it would be around 50%, which is 1/2 of being run continuously.

[kulangflow]

John, you should be banned from every forum. You're such a trouble-maker. How dare you speak the truth!