The Gulf Oil Nightmare

[redshift]

[JThiessen]

It really disgusts me to see people take advantage of tragic events to advance their political views and agendas.
You want to find facts on things - dont go to youtube videos. Do your own research and see what you can find. Look at what the CDC has to say, or OSHA. The chemical makeup of the COREXIT was NOT just released. If so, OSHA would not have an application requirement established - remember, they are a gov't agency, and it takes forever for them to publish anything! Everything from application rates, exposure limits, and how to respond are already addressed by OSHA, and the CDC.

[JERRY2KONE]

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

The other end of this is that cleaning it up prior to actually getting the leak stopped seems sensless. Otherwise they will be cleaning and recleaning the same areas over and over and over again, which will equate to cost over runs that are also counter productive.

[redshift]

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE

Unfortunately from what I have seen and read in the AP BP is not rushing on the cleanup with all of the great ideas shown on TV for collecting the oil for one simple reason. They hope to collect as much of the oil floating on the GUlf as possible in ways that will make it a recoverable substense so they can get some level of $$$$$ out of the oil and not lose it as a waste product. BP and the US Gov are hoping that they will be able to collect the oil from the surface of GUlf waters and get it into collection containers that can then be recycled into a refinery and turned into Gas or some other form of product that can be sold, so that this money can be used to cover the cost of the clean up. Not that this is the best or fastest means for getting this mess cleaned up, but it is understandable.

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

[zeropointbug]

Originally Posted by redshift

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

JT, I posted YT video for the benefit of our shorter attention span readers, I know, what's the point. The info jibes with what's on the MSDS, I can't be expected to do all the research and I am sure some of the info floating around is incorrect. Overall that does not lessen the true nature of what is happening, on every level. Take everything with a grain of salt. Nitpicking does not change the situation. Thanks PBO for posting the data.

I wait with baited breath for OB's speech tonight, should be more hollow lip service no doubt.

I don't think Jerry can have a unaffected mindset on these subjects anymore, he is old enough and 'set' in his ways for a significant amount of time for free logic to kick in.

[PBO]

Corexit 9500 MSDS

I think it's time they brought in the big guns...where's the ShamWow guy?

[Finnster]

Originally Posted by PBO

Corexit 9500 MSDS

I think it's time they brought in the big guns...where's the ShamWow guy?

lulz

ENVIRONMENTAL PRECAUTIONS :
Do not contaminate surface water.

[suicideneil]

Im hoping its better than his last one- to quote an indusrty insider whom works for oil exploration companies:

HAHAHA!

Obama does it again!

After a phone-call to the British Prime Minister in which Obama denied that he was endorsing "Anti British sentiment" with his comments about the BP oil spill, he's gone and compared the event to the f**king 9/11 attacks.

Now, to be fair, I do understand what he's really saying but the guy REALLY needs to to get himself a better speech writer.
He's either utterly ignorant of the offence that comments like that cause or he IS actually trying to promote anti-British sentiment in the USA.

I'm sure if British people, at the time, had compared the Piper Alpha disaster (where 170 people died on an oil rig run by an American company) to a terrorist attack lots of people in the USA might have taken offence.
Instead, we just got on with sorting out the problem without making a big political fuss.

What he said^.

Also worth remebering that "BP owns 65% of the Gulf of Mexico oil well that ruptured on April 20, while Anadarko owns 25%. Transocean owned the rig that sank after the well blowout." Blaming this all on Beyond Petroleum ( British Petroleum hasnt existed for years ) is a bit naive...

[redshift]

Under the view counter on YT vids, you press the 'embed' button, then copy and paste that as you would a normal URL.

I used to watch/ listen to Prager in the early 90s, before I decided I was neither Republican or Democrat. I agree with the first 3-4 minutes 1000%, absolutely. The rest as far as I'm concerned is party babble.

He is correct in saying we've lost what it means to be American, and I admit I fall short in many ways.

My fear is it is too late to matter.

[JERRY2KONE]

WHAT? *bangs head against wall several times, comes to, and asks again*

WHAT!?

That must be the most flawed, Twilight Zone logic I have EVER heard.

Jerry, please don't take this as a personal, but AP can blow it out their ass.
I haven't seen that particular piece but that is unmistakably the ESTABLISHMENT media making excuses for their slothlike response. That is total utter unadulterated crap.

Like BP needs to have a 'yard sale' to raise cleanup funds??? OMFG!
It's easier to "collect" oil that has spread over thousands of square miles?

I'm gonna withhold further comment on that.

Just to be clear RS I never said that I agree with their efforts or their plans on how to handle this issue. I was only sharing the main reason that they have not been more active about using others ideas for cleaning the oil up in the GUlf, and knowing BP I understand their position. There have been small slips by BP during this whole thing about what, why, & how they are dealing with this. Even the whole idea about stopping the leak has never really been about STOPPING the flow of oil, but coraling it so they can collect it and sell it. BP has no interest in stopping the oil flow coming from the well, but finding a new way of collecting the oil, which was the reason they drilled the well in the first place. BP is a money hungry company that will take whatever shortcut it can to keep from losing more money than they might have to, and maybe even coming out on top of this whole issue.

[redshift]

I know Jerry, just wanted to make it clear I was going after the posted piece, and not the poster..

The absurdity of that story still has me reeling.

Insanity.

[lutach]

I hope the Nuke idea doesn't happen in 2012.

[redshift]

We'll let Jerry determine that for himself.

I understand where you're coming from, you don't bring a bucket of sand to a four alarm fire. When addressing a problem of this variety it does help to remove the rose colored glasses IMO. Assume things are worse, and be prepared for the worst. That's my mentality and we will all differ, we're just simple damn humans, the whole lot of us.

And from the mainstream, so there will be no doubt as to the validity (sarcasm)

[redshift]

Looks like fire and brim-smoke to me, see for yourself- http://www.searchlawrence.com/_bp_sp...e_camera_feeds

Click on the "Skandi Neptune ROV 1"

Watch for a few minutes at least. I only had to watch for about a minute before I saw obvious flames. Gotta wonder how much actual 'oil' is coming out.....

[JThiessen]

Originally Posted by PBO

How do you see that happening?

In the plains states, there has been a vastly large amount of rainfall, keeping the farmers out of the fields. This will affect the production of spring wheat, corn, oats, barley, beans, peas, etc., virtually everything except winter wheat - which gets planted in the fall. Now if the rain continues for much longer, then you will have "bad" crops - once the crops that did get planted reach about 4-6 weeks of growth, you actually need heat for it to mature the grain head properly.

Originally Posted by redshift

Looks like fire and brim-smoke to me, see for yourself- http://www.searchlawrence.com/_bp_sp...e_camera_feeds

Click on the "Skandi Neptune ROV 1"

Watch for a few minutes at least. I only had to watch for about a minute before I saw obvious flames. Gotta wonder how much actual 'oil' is coming out.....

I didn't see any obvious flame. I did see a blue light reflecting from something - maybe another ROV???? 'Course, if its live, what I saw was different from what you saw.