I am wrong about MaxAmps.

[aqwut]

Originally Posted by kulangflow

John, you should be banned from every forum. You're such a trouble-maker. How dare you speak the truth!

Oh MY GOD!!.. you said the "T" word... I'd be praying for forgiveness tonight...

[Arct1k]

PS Just a thought guys I'm sure Monster Mike doesn't want to be drawn into anything regarding this forum and NK or anything personal regarding Austin or Jason.

My personal suggestion would be to delete most of this thread and continue a very real and interesting debate re the ratings of different packs and saftey implications of poor standards. That is very interesting... Perhaps a new thread in General electric or maybe a new sub forum on batteries and chargers?

Thanks...

[johnrobholmes]

We didn't agree about the 6000vs 8000 test being fair though. I explained that his pack is rated for a higher amp draw, therefor it should hold higher voltage under load. He responded that ratings from a factory don't mean anything since there are no standards. Ball in my court, I had no good response to that.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

We didn't agree about the 6000vs 8000 test being fair though. I explained that his pack is rated for a higher amp draw, therefor it should hold higher voltage under load. He responded that ratings from a factory don't mean anything since there are no standards. Ball in my court, I had no good response to that.

Did you ask him why rate a 2100mAh with a 20C rating and in fact it was 15C from the factory. If the ratings from the factory is 15C, I would go with 10C just to be on the safe side. I think that is what TrueRC does. They rather feel safe than sorry. Still, not a good way to conduct business. What did he say about Jason? I would fire him on the spot if I knew he was treating customers that way. Just my opinion. If I worked hard to establish and a business, I wouldn't want to have an employee bring it down in any way.

[kulangflow]

If ratings from a factory don't mean anything, then why bother advertising them?

It appears through testing that True R/C's ratings are accurate, so is he admitting that his are over-rated by the factory?

I'm glad you were able to talk to him, especially as a business owner yourself.

[johnrobholmes]

We did not go into further detail about specific packs beyond me reading some data log points that I have. I would rather not try and recount the whole conversation either. Let it suffice to say that it was positive, and that I have no bad feelings towards Jason, Austin, or MA.

[DrKnow65]

Yah but what if that employee was like a crack dealer selling to little kids and making you rich?

Point is what is the moral charector MaxAmps is working with?

[lutach]

Originally Posted by DrKnow65

Yah but what if that employee was like a crack dealer selling to little kids and making you rich?

Point is what is the moral charector MaxAmps is working with?

Maybe the whole MA team is on it, but that deosn't mean Jason can treat people the way he's doing. He's the one who has to be nice to everone, he's the one that we mostly talk (used to) talk to.

[johnrobholmes]

I feel I am sticking my neck out a lot further than I should on this matter, but the inquisitive little kid in me wants to learn more and push for standards that will allow any user to fairly compare packs. I am drawing up some proposed guidelines for battery ratings that may be useful. I will start a new thread for a discussion of this.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by johnrobholmes

I feel I am sticking my neck out a lot further than I should on this matter, but the inquisitive little kid in me wants to learn more and push for standards that will allow any user to fairly compare packs. I am drawing up some proposed guidelines for battery ratings that may be useful. I will start a new thread for a discussion of this.

Sounds good John.

[DrKnow65]

I should clarify, I'm not saying Jason sells crack (hehehe) or is on crack, or that MA has anything to even do with crack (hahaha). I'm saying that mabey the money is twisting the morals of truth. It's up to Austin to rein in Jason, IF his morals are more important to him than his money.

I thought Mike was a great example, he just sold out his entire allotment of MMM's in like two days. He sold them at a great price and offered them to his loyal customers first. He could have upped the price, waited for Castle's deal to finish, then raked in the dough. Instead he takes care of us here, makes a few dollars, and has all of us looking to him when it's time to spend our play money. A good business decision AND he get's to be the good guy at the same time.

Look at the posts Patrick DelC put up in the castle thread, he was honest, open, vulnerable (he did mention the exact fets they will be using on future ESC's), and most of all he showed genuine concern for the customer who is buying his product.

I am brand loyal to stuiff like this. Win me over, give me good products and service, and I will push your company to everyone I see preparing to spend money :)

Burn me, cheat me, lie to me, sell me crap, and I'll talk sh#t to every one I know wether they are going to spend money or not.

Call me a liar when we both know better and I'm liable to find you and kick the sh#t out of you in a violent, non-christian, UFC, no one will ever know it was me, kind of way.

Liars and theves get me a bit hot under the collar, sorry for the anger.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by DrKnow65

I should clarify, I'm not saying Jason sells crack (hehehe) or is on crack, or that MA has anything to even do with crack (hahaha). I'm saying that mabey the money is twisting the morals of truth. It's up to Austin to rein in Jason, IF his morals are more important to him than his money.

I thought Mike was a great example, he just sold out his entire allotment of MMM's in like two days. He sold them at a great price and offered them to his loyal customers first. He could have upped the price, waited for Castle's deal to finish, then raked in the dough. Instead he takes care of us here, makes a few dollars, and has all of us looking to him when it's time to spend our play money. A good business decision AND he get's to be the good guy at the same time.

Look at the posts Patrick DelC put up in the castle thread, he was honest, open, vulnerable (he did mention the exact fets they will be using on future ESC's), and most of all he showed genuine concern for the customer who is buying his product.

I am brand loyal to stuiff like this. Win me over, give me good products and service, and I will push your company to everyone I see preparing to spend money :)

Burn me, cheat me, lie to me, sell me crap, and I'll talk sh#t to every one I know wether they are going to spend money or not.

Call me a liar when we both know better and I'm liable to find you and kick the sh#t out of you in a violent, non-christian, UFC, no one will ever know it was me, kind of way.

Liars and theves get me a bit hot under the collar, sorry for the anger.

Don't apologize. You are 100% right. So I found a UFC buddy .

[Jbreddawg]

Very old saying

" A satisfied customer will tell two people ,a dissatisfied customer will tell 200 "

You must keep you customers happy first and formost , the money will come later .
If your customers arn't happy ? Guess what, you have no customers !

I am sure there are alot of you on here that have been in R/C as long as I have "28 years " and longer . I have seen more then one business come and go. Treat people right and they will stand by you for many years to come .

Ok, thats all my wisdom for tonight

[DrKnow65]

I like my UFC :) So does my oldest daughter and both my boys. Course most of the time they are not fighting because they are angry (smack talking can rattle some fighters), but that's the beauty of kicking butt UFC style. Cold and intentional.

Is there a concensus on how to best test the lipo's without a $1500 machine?

[johnrobholmes]

A big outrunner and big prop can be a test bed. I spooled mine up today and it shook the deck, I forgot to balance the prop