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CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 06:16 PM

Future: Brushless 1/8 Buggy *CAD Renderings*
 
Hello,

Last night I decided after seeing a few converted buggies on here that I would give it a try. So first thing I did was look into electronics for it.

Lipoly's:(2) TrueRC's 4000mAh 11.1V 3S1P packs

Motor: Neu 1512/2D Brushless Motor.

Controller: Undecided.

My starting base vehicle is an Ofna 9.5. ALOT of these stock parts will be replace with others from other buggies or custom machined. I have already replaced the stock a-arms with those off of the Ofna CR. I have decided that I will CAD the whole vehicle to a very detailed point(that is why I have only gotten this much done in the rendering so far). I hope to get everything to their exact measurements so I know where exactly everything will work, and if needed where I can move around stuff to get it to work. My plans for the buggy is first for run time, and second for speed. I would still like to have a even amount of both. Is 65mph aiming too high? I put some numbers into the speed calculator here on the site and I was around 85MPH with all the gearing correct and everything. I just dont think when it comes down to it I will be near that. Still have alot of Rendering to do still.

*Note* Resizing them took away a little detail in the renderings

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...yPhantom/1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hantom/4-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...yPhantom/5.jpg
My Favorite picture so far:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ntom/Rear1.jpg

jnev 03.26.2007 06:42 PM

Very nice design. But in my opinion, 65mph is really, really stretching it... especailly on only 11.1 volts. But good luck with the project... should be killer once it is done.

As for the esc, you can run the new MM esc that will be coming out that will handle motors like the neu a lot better.

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 06:50 PM

When 2 3s1p packs are put together as 6s1p, wouldnt the voltage be 22.2volts? Correct me if I am wrong.

glassdoctor 03.26.2007 06:51 PM

Cool design work.. too bad it can't magicly make the real thing appear...

Yeah 65mph is too high in general... 11.1v aint gonna do it either. Just do the math and you will see that the amps required are massive compared to 4s or 5s. You may be able to gear it really high and get some impressive speed runs but it won't be practical for any other use with that gearing.

Generally imo about antime you gear for 50+ it's not good for anything but speed runs and goofing around. Racing and even most forms of bashing are better served with slower speeds... mid 40s for bashing and mid 30s for racing.

Mike.L 03.26.2007 06:55 PM

its going to be one long dogbone going to the front. but, i love the designe!

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 07:03 PM

HAHAHA, Yes it will be. I am going to be having RCALLOYS.com make me up some shafts.

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 08:06 PM

I was just wondering why you guys keep saying 11.1v's? Putting 2 3s1p packs together creates 6s1p 22.2volts I thought. I might be wrong?

Also, I am wondering what controller would be the best for this set up? I am looking currently at the Quark 125B as my choice. Would anyone make a different suggestion?

Aragon 03.26.2007 08:52 PM

6S would be the ticket. Yes, putting two 3S packs in series would work fine. You might even consider two 4S packs.

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 09:31 PM

I think 6s would be the perfect setup, not too much, not too little for this setup.

squeeforever 03.26.2007 09:41 PM

Crazy, the Quarks don't like 6S for some reason so that not really an option. Personally, I would go with the MGM 9032. It will even leave room for 8S, like Aragon suggested.

zeropointbug 03.26.2007 09:48 PM

Hey, that is a NICE rendering! What program did you use? :027:

65mph huh, those tires look like they are ballooning already! :005:

I like the battery mounts too.

glassdoctor 03.26.2007 10:09 PM

Oh... yeah we assumed you meant total of 3s... not 3+3 :)

6s would be much better for hitting 60+ hee hee

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 10:16 PM

I used SolidWorks 2006 Professional

BlackedOutREVO 03.26.2007 10:42 PM

if make it, make 2! i NEED one of those, that is just amasing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 10:44 PM

Get back to me when it is done.

BlackedOutREVO 03.26.2007 10:47 PM

a estimate of how much$$$$$?

depends if there will be chassi flex, if the rest of the buggy is good etc..... truely i want a bl 8ght t, with a gorrila max bottom chassis look, so its wide enuff for the cells or lipos, with the lil cut outs lol, dream on for me ;) lol

squeeforever 03.26.2007 11:09 PM

I would possisbly be interested in it as well. Just need to know how much, etc.

CrazyPhantom 03.26.2007 11:36 PM

You guys will have to wait till it is finished. I am not saying these are forsale or any plans to sell them right now.

If you guys wait and see the final product and like what you see, then we can work something out, I am not super interested in working one out to sell to someone else at the moment. But watch up on this post and hit me up when you like it.

jnev 03.26.2007 11:53 PM

I would be interested, just not at the moment, as I'm in another project. But in the future, I'd definately want one. If by roller you mean the kind of roller that Mike has of the e-revo?... than yes.

BlackedOutREVO 03.27.2007 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhantom
Would you guys be interested in a full roller?

If you guys wait and see the final product and like what you see, then we can work something out, I am not super interested in working one out to sell to someone else at the moment. But watch up on this post and hit me up when you like it.


id do a roller with the whole car, with or with out tires, no motor or any of that, just u know the main set up.... if the price is right yeh

CrazyPhantom 03.27.2007 12:10 AM

Motor mount is for a Neu 1512

BlackedOutREVO 03.27.2007 12:16 AM

well it wouldnt matter would it? a new, lmt, or feiago is the same bolt hole isnt it? if i did buy prob a mmm

squeeforever 03.27.2007 12:24 AM

What diffs, suspension, etc. are you gonna use? The 9.5 stuff isn't that special. I would try to incorperate the Mugen MBX-5 parts, or something of that sort. The Hotbodies Lighting 2 is a better solution if cost and availability of the Mugen parts is a concern. Hell, the X-Ray XB8TQ would be even better...

CrazyPhantom 03.27.2007 12:33 AM

I plan on running the new Kyosho Big Bores when they come out, as well as Ofna CR a-arms, with HB Lightning diffs.

jollyjumper 03.27.2007 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeeforever
Hell, the X-Ray XB8EC would be even better...

there you go:D

Mike.L 03.27.2007 08:19 AM

is this designed for off road racing? Its very low to the ground in the picture..Jw?

Serum 03.27.2007 09:11 AM

crazy;

can you contact mike about this, before selling conversions on his forum?

Thanks.

CrazyPhantom 03.27.2007 01:27 PM

Im not making this to sell conversion, I am making this as a personal project inwhich people are contacting me for one. My intentions on posting this up here was not to sell conversions.

Mike.L, this is build for offroad, I just put the ride height at that in the picture because it gives it a sleeker look.

Serum 03.27.2007 01:32 PM

I counted several posts about you probing if there was an interest.

Before you do that, please contact Mike.

CrazyPhantom 03.27.2007 01:53 PM

Ok, sounds good.

I was wondering how many people would suggest moving the motor to the front end instead of the rear?

BlackedOutREVO 03.27.2007 01:59 PM

i woulldnt, the way it is, is perfect imo

CrazyPhantom 03.27.2007 02:40 PM

The advantage of moving it upfront would be better handling, and I could drop the batteries back towards the rear more and move the motor more in the center of the chassis length wise. I personally like the design as it is right now, but I was just wondering if others would say against it.

Also, the steering assembly will be coming out of a Xray XB8, I like it because it seems to be low profile, and would go more with the build.

Edit* for those that maybe wondering where the controller and receiver are going to be place, these were to be located ontop of the Lipolys, and that is why there are such large battery tie down plates. These plates will most likely be made out of aluminum, with sort of a "cooling fin" design cut into them to help cool the batteries as well as the controller.

squeeforever 03.27.2007 04:04 PM

Personally, I would put it over the front. That way it won't be to tail heavy. I know this might not sound right, but I would rather a car that flies slightly nose down instead of nose up. I find its easier to adjust the nose up than down.

yj-7 03.28.2007 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhantom
The advantage of moving it upfront would be better handling, and I could drop the batteries back towards the rear more and move the motor more in the center of the chassis length wise. I personally like the design as it is right now, but I was just wondering if others would say against it.

Also, the steering assembly will be coming out of a Xray XB8, I like it because it seems to be low profile, and would go more with the build.

Edit* for those that maybe wondering where the controller and receiver are going to be place, these were to be located ontop of the Lipolys, and that is why there are such large battery tie down plates. These plates will most likely be made out of aluminum, with sort of a "cooling fin" design cut into them to help cool the batteries as well as the controller.


How about the steering servo? It doesnt look like there is enough room for the servo?

CrazyPhantom 03.28.2007 07:37 PM

I'll get the servo in the CAD file LATE tonight. Should be enough room to mess around with layouts of the servo.

CrazyPhantom 03.30.2007 01:56 PM

Well, this is the only update I got as of right now, I got the tires rendered up. I think I have to go down the sidewall a little more. Note*- There are 1300 nubs on each tire, that doesnt make my computer too happy. So all the performance settings are turned down, that is why come of the circles in the picture are like octagons and stuff, final rendering will have everything turned up to the highest quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ntom/Rear2.png

A4DTM 03.30.2007 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhantom
Well, this is the only update I got as of right now, I got the tires rendered up. I think I have to go down the sidewall a little more. Note*- There are 1300 nubs on each tire, that doesnt make my computer too happy. So all the performance settings are turned down, that is why come of the circles in the picture are like octagons and stuff, final rendering will have everything turned up to the highest quality.

lies. maybe turned up to a higher setting, but you're looking at months, maybe years to render with everything maxed out :005:

BrianG 03.30.2007 08:30 PM

The front tires look bigger that the rear. I would've thought that with the distance perspective, it would be the other way around. Or am I just seeing things? Other than that, looks good. Can't wait to see the final rendering and final real product. :)

CrazyPhantom 03.31.2007 02:12 PM

Thanks Nick :) . The final render will have the settings turned up as much as possible to get a better render then what is shown above.

The wheels are ALL the same exact size because they are all 1 part in Solidworks.

Serum 03.31.2007 03:09 PM

Brian; that's tipical for SW..


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