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05.07.2009, 01:04 PM

You have thoroughly proven my point. Your claims are nothing more than opinion with no fact to prove them. Data logging is the only way you can prove one motor is as, more, or less efficient than any other. Anything else is speculation and nothing more.

Also make note that nowhere in this thread have I asked for anyone's opinion.


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You have thoroughly proven my point. Your claims are nothing more than opinion with no fact to prove them. Data logging is the only way you can prove one motor is as, more, or less efficient than any other. Anything else is speculation and nothing more.

Also make note that nowhere in this thread have I asked for anyone's opinion.
By posting on the thread and responding to posts, you are asking for opinions. Look, keep running your MMM. That simple. Some of us like the rx8so far, others may not find the price premium worth it. Each to their own. No need for you to be all defensive. I am providing feedback as an owner of both systems, you can choose to take it or leave it. No skin off my back.

If you want to hook up a data logger while racing/bashing to get the readings, then by all means do it. If I race a 5 minute qualifier on multiple occassions and nothing changed except the esc/motor and measure what goes back in a fully charged pack along with motor/batt/esc temps, it is close enough in my book. It is about as a controlled environment anyone is going to get. I don't get hung up on analysis paralysis. The differences are neglible as far as runtime in my experience between the two systems so far. But if you want down to the decimal point readings, knock yourself out and I would love to see the data when you are done.
   
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05.07.2009, 02:08 PM

Just to clear up some info on Neu motors.

The older style motors had a one piece front endbell/can with a pressed in rear plate. About 1-1.5yrs ago they started using small screws to retain the rear endbell.

The newest batch of Neu motors appear to have a threaded on front endbell with small set screws capturing it, and a threaded or pressed in rear endbell with small set screws capturing that also. I have seen this in both finned and smooth motors. I can post a pic of a pair of 1521 1y finned motors that are both styles if desired.

I personally feel that the one piece can/bell motor will be superior, but what do I know...

Plan to run one of the 1521 motors in my lst and the other in the muggy. Both 6s with MMMs and geared similar. We will see which motor fails first!
   
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By posting on the thread and responding to posts, you are asking for opinions. Look, keep running your MMM. That simple. Some of us like the rx8so far, others may not find the price premium worth it. Each to their own. No need for you to be all defensive. I am providing feedback as an owner of both systems, you can choose to take it or leave it. No skin off my back.

If you want to hook up a data logger while racing/bashing to get the readings, then by all means do it. If I race a 5 minute qualifier on multiple occassions and nothing changed except the esc/motor and measure what goes back in a fully charged pack along with motor/batt/esc temps, it is close enough in my book. It is about as a controlled environment anyone is going to get. I don't get hung up on analysis paralysis. The differences are neglible as far as runtime in my experience between the two systems so far. But if you want down to the decimal point readings, knock yourself out and I would love to see the data when you are done.
You have some interesting logic I must say. It seems to me you are the one getting worked up yet you keep accusing me of this I don't know why. I am sorry you do not like that I have an opinion that differs from yours but that is hardly cause for me to get "worked up" as you suggest.

My point is that you made a claim that somehow the tekin motors where more efficient than the neu motors with no real world data to back that up. I made no assumption that either was more or less efficient than the other. So many factors play into why a given motor pulls more mah in a given period than just the mah factor alone. How much of that power drain was used and how much disspated as heat? What wattage was each individual motor putting out? So on and so forth....

You keep wanting to put me in some little box as holding the MMM up over the Tekin when I have stated multiple times this is not the case. I have nothing against Tekin, I like Tekin, they have nice features, I even own one of their ESC's.

The real deal is that you made a claim and laid the burden of proof upon yourself. I would ask for proof from anyone I know, even family.

Please understand this is a forum and I hold no anamosity towards you or any other who disagrees with me. Nothing on RCM or any other forum raises my blood pressure. I take it all with a grain of salt.

I understand that written word on forums and otherwise can be taken out of context very quickly.

My apologies if I have upset or insulted you in anyway.


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05.07.2009, 05:11 PM

If you're racing the tekin is the best as of right now.


The braking smoothness is way way above any castle/neu combo. As well the motors have so little magnetic drag that my buggy freewheels for way longer and this helps a ton in the corners.
   
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