RX8 or MMM combo?

[Unsullied_Spy]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I would really like to see proof of this as I have never seen nor heard of it. It's a rather bold claim without anything to back it up.

If you're talking about the sealed part, I own a Neu motor with holes in it. I do believe they also came crimped a few years ago but they switched to the screws a while back.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by Edumakated

I The motors are just as efficient, if not moreso than the Neus.

I still find these claims irrelevant without any numbers to back them up. Neu has been in the BL motor business much longer than tekin with a VERY proven track record across the board from planes, to helis, to boats, to cars.

Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy

If you're talking about the sealed part, I own a Neu motor with holes in it. I do believe they also came crimped a few years ago but they switched to the screws a while back.

I was talking about the crimped part. I have followed neu motors for several years via plane guys I know and have never seen one with a crimped can. The sealed part is just plain silly as the motors with the holes in them where not originally built for off road use. However, the Tekno neus and CC neus which are built for off road use are sealed so the point really seems moot.

I get these guys like their tekin systems, I like my tekin I use in my scale crawler. While they are nice ESC's I do not find them "way better" than what CC produces. Another thing about the size factor is that CC attached the capacitors to their ESC's from the factory and that is reflected in their size specs. However tekin requires that you attach the capacitor(s) yourself and thus does not factor that into their size specs. I also much prefer the bullet connectors to the solder posts hands down.

Again I would also like to see how smooth the tekin runs a completely sensorless motor. Or we can wait for the MM Pro and compare then......

[Aceldama]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I would really like to see proof of this as I have never seen nor heard of it. It's a rather bold claim without anything to back it up.

I'm not making stuff up because I hate Neu or anything. I was just in the position of trying to piece together a reasonably priced 6s system using a MMM which basically meant I was trying to find a deal on a genuine Neu or a Medusa since CC only has the 2200kv motor. I ended up finding some decent deals on some Neus but they were usually crimped end bells, or open to debris, or both.

Non sealed:


This one looks like non-screw captured:


The Tekin system is expensive, no question about it. But at least they're offering a true 6s solution with their combos. If you want a properly rated KV motor for 6s with the MMM you either get a Medusa (non sealed, pressed endbell) or buck up for a real Neu which makes it even more expensive than the Tekin combo.

[E-Revonut]

Originally Posted by Aceldama

I'm not making stuff up because I hate Neu or anything. I was just in the position of trying to piece together a reasonably priced 6s system using a MMM which basically meant I was trying to find a deal on a genuine Neu or a Medusa since CC only has the 2200kv motor. I ended up finding some decent deals on some Neus but they were usually crimped end bells, or open to debris, or both.

Non sealed:


This one looks like non-screw captured:


The Tekin system is expensive, no question about it. But at least they're offering a true 6s solution with their combos. If you want a properly rated KV motor for 6s with the MMM you either get a Medusa (non sealed, pressed endbell) or buck up for a real Neu which makes it even more expensive than the Tekin combo.

Original Neus are open because they where designed for heli, airplane, and marine applications where dirt isn't present. A couple pieces of aluminum foil tape takes care of this, just as I have done on my Medusas. As for crimped ends, I have no idea where your getting that from because that pic doesn't show the back. The front is part of the can itself and I assure you that the back is not crimped/pressed/glued on, it is a Neu and it is screwed on. I do agree though that it is great that Tekin has multiple motor choices. I would have bought one if they where out a month ago.

[Aceldama]

Originally Posted by E-Revonut

Original Neus are open because they where designed for heli, airplane, and marine applications where dirt isn't present. A couple pieces of aluminum foil tape takes care of this, just as I have done on my Medusas. As for crimped ends, I have no idea where your getting that from because that pic doesn't show the back. The front is part of the can itself and I assure you that the back is not crimped/pressed/glued on, it is a Neu and it is screwed on. I do agree though that it is great that Tekin has multiple motor choices. I would have bought one if they where out a month ago.

Well, I was under the impression that the smooth can 1515s that offshore electrics had weren't screw captured. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. The open-ness of the motor isn't a huge deal since you can just tape it, I had planned on doing that if I got a Neu.

But then I figured, if I'm going to pay $400 for the MMM + a Neu motor then I might as well just get the Tekin system and try it out.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by Aceldama

The Tekin system is expensive, no question about it. But at least they're offering a true 6s solution with their combos. If you want a properly rated KV motor for 6s with the MMM you either get a Medusa (non sealed, pressed endbell) or buck up for a real Neu which makes it even more expensive than the Tekin combo.

So am I to understand that you have actually tried the 2200 CC motor yourself and this is from your personal experience?

Or is this just what you heard?

Based on what I have seen Patrick say the motor was set to be what is the most efficient setup and you change the voltage and/or programming to suit your needs.

[E-Revonut]

By all means, get the Tekin and try it out! Post your findings too. I just wanted to make sure you where aware that Neus are first class motors and anyone that has broke one was either beating the snot out of it or they F'ed something up, chances of a Neu going up in smoke due to manufacturing defect is very small. Tekin hasn't proved themselves in the 1/8th motor market yet, not saying anything bad about them but they still need to get put through their paces by the members here!

[Aceldama]

Oh, I have the utmost confidence in the Neu product and I'd love to own one. And the MMMv3 seems pretty solid as well. The Tekin seemed like a pretty solid and complete product and the initial positive reviews sold me on it. I just feel like comparing the cost of the Tekin combo to the MMM combo is a little unfair if you plan on running 6s. Unless you're cool with running the motor at 55,000 RPM.

And no, I don't own the MMM with the 2200kv motor. It looks really great, and if Castle had the 1800KV ready I would have bought that combo. But I feel that 2200kv is not ideal at 6s. I came to that conclusion from reading the forums and playing with BrianG's gearing calc. Do you run the 2200 at 6s TexasSP?

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I think you took my comment the wrong way. This was not a stab at you and/or other people who use and like the RX8 but more a statement to help out unsullied_spy.



I would really like to see proof of this as I have never seen nor heard of it. It's a rather bold claim without anything to back it up.

my old 1.5d had no screws in the back end, ive seen a couple others also that popped off, so they just drilled holes and put screws in

cheack out the 2.5d on this car.. no screws

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...n-kits-14.html

[Thunderbruiser]

I think I will be trying out an RX8 in my 1/8th buggy when I get it...you guys will see build up pics probably in about 5-6 months Im broke so I gotta take my time

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by Aceldama

Oh, I have the utmost confidence in the Neu product and I'd love to own one. And the MMMv3 seems pretty solid as well. The Tekin seemed like a pretty solid and complete product and the initial positive reviews sold me on it. I just feel like comparing the cost of the Tekin combo to the MMM combo is a little unfair if you plan on running 6s. Unless you're cool with running the motor at 55,000 RPM.

And no, I don't own the MMM with the 2200kv motor. It looks really great, and if Castle had the 1800KV ready I would have bought that combo. But I feel that 2200kv is not ideal at 6s. I came to that conclusion from reading the forums and playing with BrianG's gearing calc. Do you run the 2200 at 6s TexasSP?

No, I run I tekno neu 2.5d. It was what was available at the time. I have also used a 2200 neu. I have come to the conclusion though that the 2200 motor on a monster truck is the one to have if running 4-6s. I have enough confidence in the CC software that I can run different setups via programming to utilize the motor correctly for what I need.

I am in no way dogging the Tekin, I just do not agree with it's all of the sudden God status over all else. It seems to me like the attitude coming from some is that the only way to be competitive is to run the Tekin and if you come running the MMM you will just get beat.

The same thing can be said for when the MMM came out and people thought you had to have it over the MGM or you were screwed.

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I still find these claims irrelevant without any numbers to back them up. Neu has been in the BL motor business much longer than tekin with a VERY proven track record across the board from planes, to helis, to boats, to cars.



I was talking about the crimped part. I have followed neu motors for several years via plane guys I know and have never seen one with a crimped can. The sealed part is just plain silly as the motors with the holes in them where not originally built for off road use. However, the Tekno neus and CC neus which are built for off road use are sealed so the point really seems moot.

I get these guys like their tekin systems, I like my tekin I use in my scale crawler. While they are nice ESC's I do not find them "way better" than what CC produces. Another thing about the size factor is that CC attached the capacitors to their ESC's from the factory and that is reflected in their size specs. However tekin requires that you attach the capacitor(s) yourself and thus does not factor that into their size specs. I also much prefer the bullet connectors to the solder posts hands down.

Again I would also like to see how smooth the tekin runs a completely sensorless motor. Or we can wait for the MM Pro and compare then......

It seems as nothing anyone tells you from their experience with both systems is going to matter. You obviously are 100% sold on the MMM. Like I said, if you are just bashing around with your MMM, it will serve you well. However, those of us that race have found the Tekin system to be better suited for the track.

I will be putting both my buggy & truggy through the paces on a a very large track this weekend ('09 ROAR Nats track) for a race and can report back more how it performs.

Regarding the efficiency comment, I compared my burn rate per minute with my Neu vs my Tekin and it is almost identical, even though the Tekin was laying down a little more power in my opinion.

[Aceldama]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I have come to the conclusion though that the 2200 motor on a monster truck is the one to have if running 4-6s. I have enough confidence in the CC software that I can run different setups via programming to utilize the motor correctly for what I need.

I hear what you're saying, but 2200kv at 6s is 55,000 RPM and leaves me little room for gearing options. No amount of software tweaking is going to change that.

Originally Posted by TexasSP

I am in no way dogging the Tekin, I just do not agree with it's all of the sudden God status over all else. It seems to me like the attitude coming from some is that the only way to be competitive is to run the Tekin and if you come running the MMM you will just get beat.

Let me say that I don't intend on racing and don't have a track within 30 miles. I only bash. I think the MMM has to be a good system otherwise they wouldn't be shipping with HPI and Traxxas products. My only gripe was the lack of motor selection. And my justification for buying the Tekin system was that I was going to spend $400 anyway on a MMM/Neu so I might as well try something new.

[hootie7159]

what we truely need to do is mask-up both system and put then in the same buggy (unmarked) and have people drive it around for bashing and racing..and do a variety of combonations....ie MMM/tekin.....MMM/Neu.....MMM/CC Neu.....rx8/CC NEU....rx8/Neu.....rx8/tekin....MMM/CC Neu...of course all the same gearing/batt's/esc setup and truck setup....thats the only way but I for one like both combos however, i'm waiting for CC's 1800kv motor....but I've never had any cogging in my MMM setup and ALCEDAMA the 2200kv cc Nue motor works just as efficiently as a genuine NEU (I've own both in 2200kv form) and I really couldn't tell the difference IMOH...