Mmm V2 Up In Smoke !!!

I flogged my v2 Monster for 70 minutes last night and 30 minutes this morning. so far so good! It was a mixture of dirt grass and asphalt, hard acceleration, full stop, hard acceleration style driving, with a few from a stand still back flips on asphalt and donuts on grass. I'm hoping to hit a track this saturday and get a few 30+ minute sessions in. This will require new tires though

Air temp both last night and this morning was a muggy 84 degrees. The Monster never broke 104 F, motor 112 F, and trc and neu lipos 95 F. I cringed when I hit a water puddle about 10 minutes into the morning run, didn't even bring the truck into me, stopped and ran out to it. the truck body kept the monster dry Here's hoping it stays this solid, and oh so smooth on power delivery.

[bl-is-future]

Woot finally dickyt get a live one.

[suicideneil]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Then all of those companies are given an opportunity to comment on the new proposal. At some point, the reps are required to vote and agree on the changes.

This is the problem part I reckon. Most, if not all the companies that have built ROAR approved motors, have a design that is a clone more of less of the novak motors, or feigao & LRP sensored design; they are all 99% identical- nothing even comes close to looking like your typical castle or sensorless feigao type motors. Those kinda designs just cant meet the requirements, so everyone has to follow novak or LRPs lead when designing a new motor for ROAR racing.
The other issue I see is that if castle or neu for example wanted to introduce one of their more typical motor designs that is, as I can attest to, much more powerful than the equivalent sized ROAR legal motors, who in their right mind on that committee (who isnt a rep for castle or neu) would vote to allow the more powerful design to be accepted that could easily beat theirs in a race?

[kulangflow]

Awesome DickyT! I'm all happy that you're MMM is running!

Originally Posted by kulangflow

Awesome DickyT! I'm all happy that you're MMM is running!

Thanks! I brought both my lipos and my truck to work today to have them charged and ready for after work. I have several construction site nearby my office and pending no rain the truck will see 70-90 minutes of dirt and sand pile bashing. My tires are bald from peeling out on asphalt last night, so lots of wheel spin will be there to generate some heat. I will keep a close eye on temps do to this.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by suicideneil

This is the problem part I reckon. Most, if not all the companies that have built ROAR approved motors, have a design that is a clone more of less of the novak motors, or feigao & LRP sensored design; they are all 99% identical- nothing even comes close to looking like your typical castle or sensorless feigao type motors. Those kinda designs just cant meet the requirements, so everyone has to follow novak or LRPs lead when designing a new motor for ROAR racing.
The other issue I see is that if castle or neu for example wanted to introduce one of their more typical motor designs that is, as I can attest to, much more powerful than the equivalent sized ROAR legal motors, who in their right mind on that committee (who isnt a rep for castle or neu) would vote to allow the more powerful design to be accepted that could easily beat theirs in a race?

You raise several good points. Why should the existing members of the BL motor committee vote to include a slotless motor design and what would happen if more powerful motors were approved. As I said, I have absolutely no insight into the thinking of ROAR, other members of the motor committee or top sponsored drivers.

Once companies have a vested interest, or significant investment, in existing technology (such as sensored motors) changing the rules does become more difficult. ROAR is nominally an organization run by, and for, racers. Unfortunately, few members volunteer, so the organization is chronically undermanned.

But once slotless motors are approved, they too will be subject to stringent specifications. ROAR is an organization of rules so there will be rules for them, too. If the slotless motors are more desired by customers, manufacturers will simply switch over to building slotless motors. A new motor arms race will ensue.

I wonder whether top racers (touring) even want more powerful motors. the 3.5T motors with lipo are already more powerful than most racers can handle. At that level, it is precise controllability that wins races, not all out power. Many racers want to compete based on their own skill and experience as drivers. They want equipment that enhances their ability and most superb drivers can win using existing equipment manufactured by any company.

[jayjay283]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

Once companies have a vested interest, or significant investment, in existing technology (such as sensored motors) changing the rules does become more difficult.

So companys dont want to change their motors and keep running the same old junk and use ROARS stagnant outdated rules to keep it that way. Nice ..

Its fun to watch vintage cars race and frankly thats where ROAR approved equipment belongs. Time to make an Extreme RC racing series and put ROAR out of business. Outdated pathetic tyrants remind me of old ladies on neighborhood housing comitties who wont let you put up solar panels to heat your pool.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by jayjay283

So companys dont want to change their motors and keep running the same old junk and use ROARS stagnant outdated rules to keep it that way. Nice ..

Its fun to watch vintage cars race and frankly thats where ROAR approved equipment belongs. Time to make an Extreme RC racing series and put ROAR out of business. Outdated pathetic tyrants remind me of old ladies on neighborhood housing comitties who wont let you put up solar panels to heat your pool.

As soon as you establish your new Extreme R/C organization, we will be happy to join as long as you don't expect us to volunteer to do any work....

[killajb]

Ahem.. With all due respect to Novak, how many HV ESC systems are on back-order? I assume the "Orange Guys" are in the business of selling products to make a profit. That said, the starting gun has already sounded and Castle (with MM and MMM) is off to a great head-start. ROAR can have their "rules" or as I see it, tricky attempts to corner the market through sanctioned races. The only ROAR I care about is the roar my REVO tires will sound like on occasional speed runs.

[Larrydino]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Larry,

Call in and ask for me personally. We'll take care of you!

Patrick

i called and got through..thank you Patrick..i left a message for you.

[J3110]

Originally Posted by jayjay283

Time to make an Extreme RC racing series and put ROAR out of business. Outdated pathetic tyrants remind me of old ladies on neighborhood housing comitties who wont let you put up solar panels to heat your pool.

Worked for the X-Games.
I think people are ready for extreme R/C competitions and bigger events that span multiple days like IRCHA does. I dunno if ROAR already does stuff like this?
More than one kind of track. More than one kind of event. Crawlers, speeders, sliders, jumpers, freestyle/skate park...
Sounds like something the people want to me and I would be surprised if it didn't succeed, actually.

[suicideneil]

I have no doubt that the little TCs have no issues or shortage of power with the current ROAR approved motors, but thats not the issue so much so far as matters to me- I desire a powerful BL motor and esc system for an MT, not a TC. Im sure the green guys would like to be able to compete with the orange guys at all levels, but thats not the issue that concerns me- its the basher sector that baddly needs more attention. The only 'systems' for MT users at present are the hvmaxx, and the MMM combo, and I know which has the kind of power and performance Im after (flaming deaths not withstanding ). When the Tekin RX8 finally gets here both the green and orange guys will be in for a shock Im sure, but thats a good thing- motivation to compete at the same level for the same potential customers who just want a damned reliable esc and motor that can pull some kind of gearing in an MT with cooking or running out of puff after 30feet. I have the $ to spend if I must, but if a reliable, powerful esc atleast isnt in the offing, I'll end up running a pair of flippin' MMs and building a cursed V-twin type contraption to find the reliabilty and power I want. Gah....

Originally Posted by J3110

Worked for the X-Games..... .........More than one kind of event. Crawlers, speeders, sliders, jumpers, freestyle/skate park...

I can think of 5 of those ideas that would be fun for me. I would run a rig for each.

[TruckBasher]

I think this ROAR thing should be taken to NOVAK forum. This thread has been way OT. Just a suggestion.

Let's give Larry some room so he can get CC to assist him on his concern. just my opinion.

[TexasSP]

Patrick is dealing with Larry directly, there is nothing more for him to get out of this thread. So what does it matter if other things are talked about? This is a public forum.