ROAR approval of non novak ESC's and Motors

[wade7575]

I'm not saying it's Bob's responsibility to change the rule's but you can not tell me there is no monopoly,I'm not saying that Bob came up with a Master plan to control the whole ESC and Motor market and wether you want to admit it or not there is a monopoly there wether Bob came up wth a master plan or it just worked out that because ROAR won't approve anyone else.But Bob could tell ROAR to smarten up or we will pull are support from ROAR.

[NovakTwo]

Maybe, you need to define "monopoly" for me. When we have 6-7 competitors for every motor we want to sell, I don't see it as a Novak monopoly.

ROAR really doesn't care what Bob thinks. Bob is not good at "Master Plans", either. If you are a ROAR member, try contacting them and offering them your suggestions.

Originally Posted by wade7575

I'm not saying it's Bob's responsibility to change the rule's but you can not tell me there is no monopoly,I'm not saying that Bob came up with a Master plan to control the whole ESC and Motor market and wether you want to admit it or not there is a monopoly there wether Bob came up wth a master plan or it just worked out that because ROAR won't approve anyone else.But Bob could tell ROAR to smarten up or we will pull are support from ROAR.

[Happywing]

I have a query. Why is there a ROAR approved list for modified? To me, modified means run whatever you have. Any and every BL motor should qualify and therefor there should be no modified approved list. This gives credence to the conspiracy theories.

[NovakTwo]

Hi Happywing,

Good question. ROAR has been in the business of approving motors from its inception 30+ years ago, before Novak even started in business. It was then approving brush motors. It could be that many companies supporting ROAR were motor sellers, and needed to assure each other, and the membership. that all motors were built to certain specifications.

There had also always been a price cap on the approved brush motors, which served to limit the use of more expensive materials---such as rare earth magnets. Here is a list of some of the old approved brush motors, but it only goes back to '93:

Approved Brush Motors

Novak never sold brush motors, so we were never involved with the earlier approval requirements. When the brushless motors became available for approval, ROAR insisted on similar, strict requirements for the new technology.

Originally Posted by Happywing

I have a query. Why is there a ROAR approved list for modified? To me, modified means run whatever you have. Any and every BL motor should qualify and therefor there should be no modified approved list. This gives credence to the conspiracy theories.

[George16]

Originally Posted by NovakTwo

When the brushless motors became available for approval, ROAR insisted on similar, strict requirements for the new technology.

But why? It does not make sense to me at all. Like you said, Novak do not sell brushed motors. So was it just a coincidence that the approved BL motors are pretty much Novak clones? Or was there a different reason why? If ROAR truly want to advanced the sport, it should get rid of the restrictions on the modified class. Let those competing companies duke it out and see who has the best product.

To me, having strict requirements for the new technology slows down the advance of the sport/hobby.

[NovakTwo]

Originally Posted by George16

But why? It does not make sense to me at all. Like you said, Novak do not sell brushed motors. So was it just a coincidence that the approved BL motors are pretty much Novak clones? Or was there a different reason why? If ROAR truly want to advanced the sport, it should get rid of the restrictions on the modified class. Let those competing companies duke it out and see who has the best product.

To me, having strict requirements for the new technology slows down the advance of the sport/hobby.

I think that your quarrel is with the organization, not Novak. They make and enforce the rules. ROAR makes rules about many, many products used for racing---they publish a very thick rule book every year.

The first BL motors submitted to ROAR for approval in '05 were offered by Novak and LRP(Associated). If you want to sell motors to be used in ROAR-sanctioned events, you follow their rules and work to get your motors approved.