well after doing some reading on the "net" I found out that folks consider the perfect combo would be the mamba 2200kv motor paired with the RX8 ESC. I bleieve I read somewhere at multiple forums that the RX8 is a higher rating than the mamba esc dont know what the heck that means, but also the RX8 is 30 dollar more expensive also. I still need do a search on rx8 and fire...see if any exist..