New Arizona SB1070 Law

[lutach]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

You contradict yourself here though. On one hand you say the illegal immigrants have little effect but on the other you say they do.

What are these jobs that not single natural born US citizen won't do exactly?

As for being bilingual why does the immigrant have the advantage? I know plenty of bilingual natural born citizens. What about an immigrant from another English speaking country? What advantage do they have? It seems to me you favor immigrants because you are an immigrant.

It really seems as though you want to paint in broad strokes natural born US citizens as being stupid, lazy, and wanting to much money for a job while praising all immigrants as being smart, hard working, and willing to work for much less.

Like BrianG said laziness and stupidity knows no racial background or country of origin. There are plenty of these all over the world.

As far as the welfare and handouts go I want it stopped for everyone. No just illegal immigrants and not just Hispanic people. Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and so on all need to have the cord cut.

You have to look beyond just what is happening in the USA to know what I mean. The issue will go deeper then what is seen in the news. Countries will get involved and when those countries supplying the US with many of the things US people needs, then you'll see exactly my point.

Would you cut someone's grass, trim their trees, clean the pool, clean their homes, wash the dishes, pick fruits and vegetables that machines can't do, collect garbage and so forth?

As a business owner I need to make as much profit as I can to keep my business going as well as pay my bill and buy things my family needs. So why would I hire someone asking for $45K then someone willing to do the same job for $25K? Like I said, look at the source of the problem and that is the one who employees the illegal. Yes, I do favor someone who is from another country, because of accent propose only. I have twin little brothers born here and their Portuguese is awful. You also failed to see where I wrote, that I wouldn't give an illegal immigrant employment. So you're missing a few points I'm trying to get across. Yes, I'm proud to be a Brasilian, US legal immigrant who pays a shit load in taxes and raises a beautiful daughter (US citizen) as a single parent.

That one is your opinion because that's not how I see it. You said that not me. I used to be a stock broker and the guys I worked with and for are some of the brightest guys I know. I learned how to sell because of them. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that people think it's only the illegal immigrant's fault, but they failed to see who gives them jobs.

The last 2, I agree with you 100%.

I do not favor anyone and I would love to see everyone work legally. Now as far a taxes goes, what are our tax money used for? It would be good if they give the Illegal the Tax I.D. Number I mentioned a few times, so they can pay taxes as well and if they don't they should get punished for their actions. More taxes for the USA more money to do what ever.

So I'll say this one more time. Want illegal immigrants to stop coming here, ask the money hungry corporate bastards to stop giving them jobs. It's that simple. With no money, they'll have to go back to their country or go to another country.

[snellemin]

Originally Posted by lutach

I do not favor anyone and I would love to see everyone work legally. Now as far a taxes goes, what are our tax money used for? It would be good if they give the Illegal the Tax I.D. Number I mentioned a few times, so they can pay taxes as well and if they don't they should get punished for their actions. More taxes for the USA more money to do what ever.

So I'll say this one more time. Want illegal immigrants to stop coming here, ask the money hungry corporate bastards to stop giving them jobs. It's that simple. With no money, they'll have to go back to their country or go to another country.

I agree with this.

And I love fast RC's too.

[TexasSP]

Originally Posted by lutach

I do not favor anyone and I would love to see everyone work legally. Now as far a taxes goes, what are our tax money used for? It would be good if they give the Illegal the Tax I.D. Number I mentioned a few times, so they can pay taxes as well and if they don't they should get punished for their actions. More taxes for the USA more money to do what ever.

So I'll say this one more time. Want illegal immigrants to stop coming here, ask the money hungry corporate bastards to stop giving them jobs. It's that simple. With no money, they'll have to go back to their country or go to another country.

The problem I have with the first is that they have a way to do this now. They can file for legal immigration status ie a visa then pay taxes.

We should also be punishing anyone who hires illegals as well, no argument there.

As for the landscaping part, I have done it. I also take care of my own. I also have a good friend in the landscaping business who has several Caucasians including his brother that works for him. He also started the business himself doing the work himself. This even after being a college graduate from Texas A&M University. Sorry, I know too many people who do these things and do not buy into "they do the jobs other American's won't".

To your other point about employees that deal can go both ways. I am a business owner too and have worked for corporations and see both sides.

Case in point was several years back when I was looking for a CNC Machinist/Programmer. I had people submitting resumes who I could have gotten for 15 an hour as a basic machinist. However, they could not meat my needs as a programmer and advanced operator. I had to have someone in the 25-30 dollar per hour range as no one with those qualifications would work for less be it Hispanic, Caucasian, or any other race. By the way, the person I did end up hiring was an immigrant here legally from Scotland. He was/is an awesome machinist and programmer I might add!

Taking your example into consideration I would also be highly suspect as to the quality of work or the ability to do the job from someone who would take 25k per year to do a job that typically pays 45k per year.

As for someone refusing to "lower" themselves when they are out of work, that is a different story. But there are caveats there as well. I found that while I was unemployed people were nervous of hiring for a job I was technically "over qualified" for. Most likely because they had the belief that as soon as something better came along I would be gone. This same issue has been seen by others I know.

There are also employers out there that will purposely low ball you an offer because they think you are desperate and they can get more for less just because. That is a good reason as not to act desperate when job searching even if you truly are.

[lutach]

Originally Posted by TexasSP

The problem I have with the first is that they have a way to do this now. They can file for legal immigration status ie a visa then pay taxes.

We should also be punishing anyone who hires illegals as well, no argument there.

As for the landscaping part, I have done it. I also take care of my own. I also have a good friend in the landscaping business who has several Caucasians including his brother that works for him. He also started the business himself doing the work himself. This even after being a college graduate from Texas A&M University. Sorry, I know too many people who do these things and do not buy into "they do the jobs other American's won't".

To your other point about employees that deal can go both ways. I am a business owner too and have worked for corporations and see both sides.

Case in point was several years back when I was looking for a CNC Machinist/Programmer. I had people submitting resumes who I could have gotten for 15 an hour as a basic machinist. However, they could not meat my needs as a programmer and advanced operator. I had to have someone in the 25-30 dollar per hour range as no one with those qualifications would work for less be it Hispanic, Caucasian, or any other race. By the way, the person I did end up hiring was an immigrant here legally from Scotland. He was/is an awesome machinist and programmer I might add!

Taking your example into consideration I would also be highly suspect as to the quality of work or the ability to do the job from someone who would take 25k per year to do a job that typically pays 45k per year.

As for someone refusing to "lower" themselves when they are out of work, that is a different story. But there are caveats there as well. I found that while I was unemployed people were nervous of hiring for a job I was technically "over qualified" for. Most likely because they had the belief that as soon as something better came along I would be gone. This same issue has been seen by others I know.

There are also employers out there that will purposely low ball you an offer because they think you are desperate and they can get more for less just because. That is a good reason as not to act desperate when job searching even if you truly are.

Good points. In the economic situation we are in today, people will be quick to point the finger and most of the time they are pointing in the wrong direction. I see more and more companies letting people go so the shareholders and executives can still pocket their big paychecks knowing too well the employees made them that money. I for one would love to get someone to help me make more sales, but I haven't found a single person that can sales as good or better then me and that includes family and friends. I hope things works out for the best.