Timing advance

[kvrc]

Originally Posted by Arct1k

They have it on the MMP - only works with sensored ESC's

CHEAT MODE, Castle’s High Energy Advanced Timing allows users to electronically advance their sensored motor’s timing to extreme settings. This can often yield just that extra bit of power needed to win the race. Be careful – there’s never a free lunch, extra power comes with extra motor heat!

No it is not the same. Tekin does this while the motor is in a sensorless mode, in fact you can use this feature with sensorless motors. That is why they say the motor can run cooler and still give more power.

[Pdelcast]

BUT -- in sensorless mode the timing is limited to about 20 degrees of advance -- which is the same as "high" timing in the Mamba series.

In sensored mode, the timing can be set much higher (like "CHEAT" mode --) but the advantage only works with very poor performing motors (like the ROAR motors...)

Most sensorless motors are much less sensitive to timing than the ROAR type motors. So the advantage is very very small to advance the timing -- usually you can do better by running low timing, and using a slightly larger pinion than you can by advancing the timing.

NOTE -- ROAR motors are an exception -- they are so badly designed that they benefit tremendously from timing. Don't make the assumption that a good quality motor will also benefit from additional timing.

[Stoomstrijkijze]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

BUT -- in sensorless mode the timing is limited to about 20 degrees of advance -- which is the same as "high" timing in the Mamba series.

In sensored mode, the timing can be set much higher (like "CHEAT" mode --) but the advantage only works with very poor performing motors (like the ROAR motors...)

Yes, but 10-15° timing advance should give you around 10% more KV's. Which means you can drop 1 teeth on the pinion (or maybe 2). Then you drive it in the tight, technical with 0° and 1 teeth lower = lower temps, more efficiency. And on the straights the timing goes up and you don't lose any speed than with your previous setup.

I don't own a Tekin system myself, but that's what read on the boards and it looks very promising.

[snellemin]

Originally Posted by Pdelcast

Don't make the assumption that a good quality motor will also benefit from additional timing.

+1

Most of my 2 pole motors don't see more than 5 degrees of timing advance and my 4 polers are maxed out at 8 degrees.
Only my roar stuff sees more timing at times. Why, because they need it. But I don't run them much as they run way too hot.

My personal opinion between the MMM and RX8 are(I own 2 of each):

1. Tekin is much smoother than the MMM in sensorless mode.
2. Build Quality of the Tekin is better than Castle. However the Castle controller board has seen a big improvement in it's last revision.
3. Both produce monster power.
4. Castle software is much easier to use than Tekin.
5. Castle stuff is much cheaper compared to the Tekin.
6. Both have excellent service.

[Stoomstrijkijze]

Originally Posted by snellemin

+1

Most of my 2 pole motors don't see more than 5 degrees of timing advance and my 4 polers are maxed out at 8 degrees.
Only my roar stuff sees more timing at times. Why, because they need it. But I don't run them much as they run way too hot.

Quote from Tekin about their T8 motors:
Max Timing will raise the kv of the Y wound motors 150 to 200.
Max Timing will raise the kv of a Delta motor 100 to 150kv

I guess this is also true for the Neu/Castle/Tekin 4 pole motors cause I heard they are all based on the original Neu motors.